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child of John Braithwaite and Cecilia, from tree on ancestry


alfred john noel braithwaite
Birth 24 12 1915 in London england
Death 14 02 1965 in Brentwood, Essex, England




sylvia

Thank you all so much for your help. Things are becoming so much clearer now. I feel pretty sure that those census records are right even though the Daley spelling is different, because the Kersey family all lived in the St George Hanover Square area for many years, and the children's names are family ones--- Hilda and Cuthbert were siblings of Cecilia. I've found a death record for Joseph Daley, aged 36,in July/Sept 1909, so she could well have married again and the Braithwaite birth is in the St George district again. Now all I need to do is buy a fistful of certificates!
Regards,
Alison

Did she remarry and have another child?

Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1912 (>99%)
ARTHUR William A Ellis St.Geo.H.Sq. 1a 1016
>>Braithwaite John A Daley St.Geo.H.Sq. 1a 1016
>>DALEY Cecilia F Braithwaite St.Geo.H.Sq 1a 1016
>>DALY Cecilia F Braithwaite St.Geo.H.Sq 1a 1016
Ellis Harriet A Arthur St.Geo.H.Sq. 1a 1016
Ellis Harriett A Arthur St.Geo.H.Sq. 1a 1016


Births Mar 1915 (>99%)
Braithwaite Alfred J N Kersey St.Geo.H.Sq. 1a 755



Name: Cecilia F Braithwaite
Birth Date: abt 1879
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1942
Age at Death: 63
Registration district: Rochford
Inferred County: Essex
Volume: 4a
Page: 720

Cecilia 1911?

Name: Cecelia Daley
Age in 1911: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878
Relation to Head: Lodger
Gender: Female
Birth Place: London, United Kingdom
Civil parish: St George Hanover Square
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 5 Warwick Place, West Warwick Street S W
Marital Status: Widowed
Occupation: CHARWOMAN
Registration district: St George, Hanover Square
Registration District Number: 5
Sub-registration district: Belgrave
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Piece: 455
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry John Towt 39
Kate Towt 36
Percival Henry John Towt 11
Winifred Alexandra Towt 10
Hilda Mary Towt 8
Helen Maud Towt 1
Florence Wilson 25
James White 60
Charlotte White 60
Cecelia Daley 33
Cecelia Daley 10
Joseph Francis Daley 4

Tree on Ancestry lists their children as the below - Cuthbert appears to be in hospital in 1911 and Hilda appears to be an inmate at Sisters Of Charity Of St Vincent De Paul, Carlisle Place, Westminster


Hilda Daley 1898 –
Cecilia M Daley 1900 –
Joseph Francis Daley 1906 – 1974
Cuthbert Reginald Daley 1909 – 1993

Was this Cecilia and Joseph in 1901? He is listed as an electric and gas fitter

Name: Joseph Daley
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Lealia Daley
Gender: Male
Where born: Chelsea, London, England

Civil parish: St George Hanover Square
Ecclesiastical parish: St Barnabas Pimlico
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: St George Hanover Square
Sub-registration district: Belgrave
ED, institution, or vessel: 22
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 53
Piece: 87
Folio: 7
Page Number: 6
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Daley 27
Lealia Daley 23
Hilda Daley 3
Lealia Daley 5 months

This looks like Hilda's birth registration


Births Dec 1908 (>99%)

King Hilda Cecilia Camberwell 1d 809





sylvia

The way to find out for sure is to purchase the marriage cert

As for her age in 1911 - she probably just didn't want to show up as being older than her husband.

Thanks everyone, that's given me some lines to follow up. I can't find a death for Joseph Daly pre 1907 except a baby in Holborn which might be relevant. I have a concern about the 1911 census record, namely her birth year which was 1878, but Hilda would certainly be a possible as Cecilia had a sister called Hilda and the whole family were great at recycling names.
Regards,
Alison

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1911 England Census
about Cecilia King
Name: Cecilia King
Age in 1911: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: London, United Kingdom
Civil parish: St Andrew Holborn above the Bars and St George the Martyr
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 14 Scrope Blds, Bourne Estate, Clerkenwell W C
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 4
Estimated Marriage Year: 1907
Occupation: UPHOLSTRESS
Registration district: Holborn
Registration District Number: 14
Sub-registration district: Holborn
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Piece: 1205
Household Members: Name Age
William King 30
Cecilia King 30
Hilda King 2




|Andy

There are some post-1911 King/Kersey births on freebmd - they may -or may not- be for the people you are researching

EDIT

They are not - there is a marriage to which they belong

Name: Cecilia F King
Birth Date: abt 1878
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1936
Age at Death: 58
Registration district: Pancras
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1b
Page: 77

Divorce was virtually unheard-of in those days

Better to look for a death for Joseph

Champness married Furber (above)

Joseph was 23 when they married. The marriage in 1906 looks interesting---maybe she was divorced. I;ll have to follow that one up, but if that's not the one then the death record may merit a certificate purchase.
Thank you very much,
Alison

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Marriages Jun 1906
Champness Harry Holborn 1b 1317
Daly Cecilia Frances Holborn 1b 1317>>>>>>>
FURBER Sarah Holborn 1b 1317
King William Stamford Holborn 1b 1317

1911 census transcription details for: 37 Stibbington St St Pancras

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National Archive Reference:
RG14PN736 RG78PN25 RD9 SD3 ED25 SN73
Reg. District: St Pancras
Sub District: East St Pancras
Parish: St Pancras
Enum. District: 25
Address: 37 Stibbington St St Pancras
County: London
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
APPI, Josephine Head Single F 45 1866 Drugist Assistant London Holborn
DALY, Cecelia Sister Married
12 years F 32 1879 Charwoman London Holborn



Edit no that was was maiden name Appi

Marriages Mar 1899
Appi Cecilia Holborn 1b 792
DALY Thomas Holborn 1b 792

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Civil Registration event: Death

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Name: DALY, Cecilia
Registration district: Stepney
County: London
Year of registration: 1969
Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at death: 92
Volume no: 5E
Page no: 146

What age was Joseph when they married?

Yes, That's her.

Name: Cecilia Kersey
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1897
Registration district: Holborn
Inferred County: London
Volume Number: 1b
Page Number: 1565

Joseph Daly