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Thank you Thelma, I thought I would try both like you say most people weren't educated in those days so dropping an e out of a name isn't that much I suppose. I knew that the marriage cert showed them as being older than most newly weds and therefore matched the timelines so I will send off for the birth certs and see what turns up.
Many thanks once again :-)
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I would not worry to much about the E.People were not so educated in those days
As to the marriage,they would not be the first to marry after they had children.
This is the one that ties in with the marriage.
James Horsfield
Birth: abt 1860 - Manchester, Lancashire, England
Residence: 1861 - Chorlton upon Medlock, Lancashire, England
And this is the other;
James Horsefield
Birth: abt 1860 - Manchester, Lancashire, England
Residence: 1861 - Chorlton upon Medlock, Lancashire, England
These should be the births;
James Horsefield
Birth: Jun 1860 - Chorlton, Lancashire
James Horsfield
Birth: Mar 1860 - Chorlton, Lancashire
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Hi all thank you for replying.
I found Alice & James on the 1911 census but they are noted as married 20 odd years but the marriage cert for James Horsefield & Alice Metcalf (Alise on census) is dated 1901 given that my great grandad (Sidney) was born in 1881 I am confused as to whether it is the correct James & Alice.
On the marriage cert for James 41 & Alice 38 they are older & list their parents as James Horsefield (baker, deceased) & John Metcalf (plumber, deceased). The ages are old to be married but back in 1881 my great granddad was Horsfield according to his birth cert?
Sorry if this is not helping but I am stumped as to which James is correct because 2 were born in 1860 in chorlton on medlock one with an e and one without? I can see in 1891 census the e is added to James ( head), Alice (wife), Sidney 9, James (son) 7? & all the ages work out right but I don't want to follow the wrong line? on one census it says Alice born in Liverpool & the next one Manchester.
For all of you that have replied could I ask your opinion please, if you were me which James would you follow?
Kind regards
Kathy
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Groom's Name: James Horsefield
Groom's Birth Date: 1860
Groom's Birthplace:
Groom's Age: 41
Bride's Name: Alice Metcalf
Bride's Birth Date: 1863
Bride's Birthplace:
Bride's Age: 38
Marriage Date: 18 Mar 1901
Marriage Place: Choriton-Upon-Medlock, Lancashire, England
Groom's Father's Name: James Horsefield
Groom's Mother's Name:
Bride's Father's Name: John Metcalf
Bride's Mother's Name:
Groom's Race:
Groom's Marital Status:
Groom's Previous Wife's Name:
Bride's Race:
Bride's Marital Status:
Bride's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I02577-8
System Origin: England-EASy
Source Film Number: 2112985
Reference Number: p249
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children registered without the e
Name: HORSFIELD, Albert
Registration district: [?] Chorlton
County: Lancashire
Year of registration: 1893
Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun
Name: HORSFIELD, James
Registration district: [?] Chorlton
County: Lancashire
Year of registration: 1883
Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Mother's maiden name: Not available before 1911 Q3
Volume no:[?]8C
Page no:[?]757
Name: HORSFIELD, Edward
Registration district: [?] Chorlton
County: Lancashire
Year of registration: 1896
Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Mother's maiden name: Not available before 1911 Q3
Volume no:[?]8C
Page no:[?]943
Mother's maiden name: Not available before 1911 Q3
Volume no:[?]8C
Page no:[?]909
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james born 1860 in 1911 for reference
HORSEFIELD, James Head Married M 51 1860 Hawker Sand Stone Manchester Lancashire VIEW
HORSEFIELD, Alise Wife Married29 years F 49 1862 Manchester Lancashire VIEW
HORSEFIELD, James Son Single M 27 1884 Labourer- Grocery Manchester Lancashire VIEW
HORSEFIELD, Albert Son Single M 18 1893 Labourer Tin Smith Manchester Lancashire VIEW
HORSEFIELD, Edward Son Single M 15 1896 Labourer- Grocery Manchester Lancashire VIEW
TAYLOR, William Boarder Single M 44 1867 House Painter Manchester Lancashire VIEW
RG number: RG14
Piece: 23874
Reference: RG14PN23874 RG78PN1380A RD464 SD4 ED9 SN186
Registration District: Chorlton
Sub District: Hulme
Enumeration District: 9
Parish: South Manchester
Address: 20 Phillips St Hulme Manchester
County: Lancashire
redefine current search back to 1911 census search results 1911 address search
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Hello Kathy, is the James b 1860 your g-grandad, or is that his father?
Just so we know we're working back correctly, can you confirm.
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have you found him in earlier census ?
1871 ??????HORSEFIELD, James Head M 36 1835 Cheshire VIEW
HORSEFIELD, James Son M 11 1860 Lancashire VIEW
HORSEFIELD, Sarah Ann Daughter F 9 1862 Lancashire VIEW
Piece: 3993
Folio: 58
Page: 7
Registration District: Chorlton
Civil Parish: Chorlton on Medlock
Municipal Borough: Manchester
Address: Boundary Lane, Chorlton On Medlock, Manchester
County: Lancashire
Reference Number:
1861 ?????
HORSFIELD, James Head Married M 27 1834 Baker
Gordon, Lancashire VIEW
HORSFIELD, Sarah Ann Wife Married F 23 1838
Manchester, Lancashire VIEW
HORSFIELD, James Son M 1 1860
Manchester, Lancashire VIEW
Piece: 2883
Folio: 97
Page: 8
Registration District: Chorlton
Civil Parish: Chorlton upon Medlock
Municipal Borough: Manchester
Address: 51, Boundary Lane, Chorlton Upon Medlock, Manchester
County: Lancashire
HORSFIELD, Isabella Wife Widow F 44 1817 Cloth...Factory
Manchester VIEW
HORSFIELD, Margaret Daughter Unmarried F 24 1837 Cotton Weaver
Manchester VIEW
HORSFIELD, James Son Unmarried M 19 1842 Cotton Weaver
Scotland VIEW
HORSFIELD, James Henry Son M 1 1860
Manchester VIEW
Piece: 2870
Folio: 110
Page: 3
Registration District: Chorlton
Civil Parish: Ardwick
Municipal Borough: Manchester
Address: 3, Crowther Buildings, Pin Mill Brow, Ardwick, Manchester
County: Lancashire
redefine current search back to 1861 census search results 1861 address search
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Hi I am having difficulty in finding the correct James Horsfield/Horsfield born in 1860, Chorlton, Manchester. There are two born in Cholrton in 1860 but one has an "e" in the surname and one doesn't?
The problem is that according to my Gr Grandad's birth cert his father is James Horsfield (without an E) & his mother is Alice (nee Metcalf). The only marriage cert I can find is Horsefield & Metcalf is in 1901 and that has an "E" . According to the census records in 1891, 1901 & 1911 the family have an E in the name but my Gr Grandad seems to have dropped it somewhere along the line ? Any help is very welcome because I don't want to follow the wrong line.
Kind regards
Kathy
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