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If someone was born in a workhouse could they of married there??? I have traced a birth of a relative back to a work house, but cant find the marriage of his parents anywhere. I have no info on where other than the workhouse was west brom, that they could of married. I do pick them on census records much later on ...but just wondered?

A marriage in England or Wales had to take place in a building authorized for that purpose (still does), unless a special licence is issued. I can't even imagine that any workhouses were authorized buildings for marriage.

Often workhouses were also hospitals for the poor. It is not unusual to find children born in a workhouse but the mother didn't reside there. If you gave us some clue on names and dates we might be able to help.

Ozi

Have you a baptism for the child ?

The babies born in the workhouse in my tree have been baptised in the workhouse very quickly after birth usually just the mothers name but not always

The workhouse in West Bromwich did indeed have an infirmary which treated the poor of the district. The infirmary went on to become Hallam Hospital, now known as Sandwell General Hospital. Some of the original workhouse buildings still exist on the site.

Thank you all...well my great grandfather is william issac smith he was born C1865 on the 1895 census it says born west bromwich. on my grandads (George Henry Smith) birth cert and census info he is a cartman/waggoner/agricultural labourer.... william's wife was priscilla denstone (she was born worcester). They had a dtr in w'ton in 1882 which i have found, and they had a son george henry smith he was born in the workhouse 1.1.1890. I have found priscilla on the 1901 and 1911 census by herself and other children born walsall, wolverhampton and west brom.

Help.. I cant trace the marriage anywhere, have tried under soundlikes...also by 1911 census priscilla is a widow. I cant find births for william jnr, caroline m or john, ??? tvm for any help Julie

Marriages Dec 1876 (>99%)
DENSTON Priscilla Elizabeth W. Bromwich 6b 1232 <<<<<<
DENSTON Priscilla W. Bromwich 6b 1232 <<<<<<
EVANS Louisa W Bromwich 6b 1232
Smith David Graham W. Bromwich 6b 1232
Smith William Isaac W,Bromwich 6b 1232 <<<<<


West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1876
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
SMITH William I DENSTON Priscilla E West Bromwich, Christ Church Sandwell Register Office 23/5/481

Marriage is on FreeBMD:

Priscilla Denston, William Isaac Smith W.Bromwich 6b 1232

Births Mar 1878 (>99%)
SMITH William Isaac Walsall 6b 692

groom's name: William Isaac Smith
groom's birth date: 1850
groom's birthplace:
groom's age: 26
bride's name: Priscilla Elizabeth Denston
bride's birth date: 1856
bride's birthplace:
bride's age: 20
marriage date: 1876
marriage place: West Bromwich, Stafford, Eng.
groom's father's name: Michael Stephen Smith
groom's mother's name:
bride's father's name: William Denston
bride's mother's name:
groom's race:
groom's marital status:
groom's previous wife's name:
bride's race:
bride's marital status:
bride's previous husband's name:
indexing project (batch) number: M05521-3
system origin: England-VR
source film number: 1526219
reference number: 2:3QQ21JM

name: William Isaac Smith
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 02 Mar 1851
baptism/christening place: ALL SAINTS,WEST BROMWICH,STAFFORD,ENGLAND
birth date:
birthplace:
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: Michael Stephens Smith
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Mary
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: C01024-3
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 497347, 497348, 497349, 497350, 497351
reference number:

groom's name: Michael Stephens Smith
groom's birth date:
groom's birthplace:
groom's age:
bride's name: Mary Edwards
bride's birth date:
bride's birthplace:
bride's age:
marriage date: 14 Nov 1849
marriage place: Saint Phillips,Birmingham,Warwick,England
groom's father's name:
groom's mother's name:
bride's father's name:
bride's mother's name:
groom's race:
groom's marital status:
groom's previous wife's name:
bride's race:
bride's marital status:
bride's previous husband's name:
indexing project (batch) number: M04179-2
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 0813729-731, 0813732-734, 0813735-736, 0814850
reference number:

1851 England Census
Name: William Smith
Age: 2 Mo
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Relation: Grandson
Father's Name: Michael Smith
Mother's Name: Mary Smith
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: West Bramwell, Staffordshire, England
Civil parish: Beoley
County/Island: Worcestershire
Country: England
Street Address: Winderlows
Registration district: Kings Norton
Sub-registration district: Kings Norton
Piece: 2048
Folio: 11
Page Number: 14
Household Members: Name Age
William Edwards 59 - Farmer of 43 acres; born Tanworth, Warwickshire
Betty Edwards 60 - Farmers wife; born Kings Norton, Worcestershire
Elizabeth Edwards 26 - Dress Maker; born Solihull, Warwickshire
John Edwards 22 - Farmers Son; born Solihull, Warwickshire
Michael Smith 23 - son-in-law; visitor; Miller; West Bromwich, Staffordshire
Mary Smith 28 - daughter; visitor; Kings Norton, Worcestershire
William Smith 2 Mo - grandson; West Bromwich, Staffordshire

1861 England Census
Name: William J Smith
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Relation: Nephew
Gender: Male
Where born: West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England
Civil parish: West Bromwich
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street Address: Barr Lane
Occupation: Scholar
Registration district: West Bromwich
Sub-registration district: West Bromwich North East
Piece: 2030
Folio: 68
Page Number: 1
Household Members: Name Age
Hannah Thornton 66 - Widow; Farmer 55 acres, [employing] 2 men; born W. Bromwich
Martha Bailey 26 - Niece; Farm Servant; Darleton, Staffordshire
William J Smith 10
Michael Smith 7 - Nephew; Scholar; Perry Barr, Staffordshire
Henry Middleton 35 - servant
Ann Stringer 14 - servant
Martin Grough 30 - servant

1871 England Census
Name: William I Smith
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Relation: Nephew
Gender: Male
Where born: W Bromwich, Staffordshire, England
Civil parish: West Bromwich
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
Town: West Bromwich
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street Address: Barr Lane
Occupation: Farm Labourer
Registration district: West Bromwich
Sub-registration district: West Bromwich North East
Piece: 2986
Folio: 148
Page Number: 55
Household Members: Name Age
Hannah Thornton 77 - widow; Farm 50 acres emp'g 2 lab/boy
William I Smith 20
Michael Smith 18 - Farm Labourer
Ann Thatcher 23 - servant



Niece Martha, next household, same address.

1871 England Census
Name: Martha Hysmith [Spouse is William Hy Smith, NOT Hysmith.]
Age: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: William Hysmith
Gender: Female
Where born: Darlaston, Staffordshire, England
Civil parish: West Bromwich
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
Town: West Bromwich
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street Address: Barr Lane
Registration district: West Bromwich
Sub-registration district: West Bromwich North East
Piece: 2986
Folio: 148
Page Number: 55
Household Members: Name Age
William Hysmith 40 - Farmer
Martha Hysmith 36
Elizabeth Hysmith 8
Matha E Hysmith 4

This lot?

1891 England Census
Name: George Hy Smith
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William T Smith
Mother's Name: Priscilla E Smith
Gender: Male
Where born: West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England
Civil parish: Bilston
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Bilston
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street Address:
Registration district: Wolverhampton
Sub-registration district: Bilston
Piece: 2242
Folio: 118
Page Number: 12
Household Members: Name Age
William T Smith 30
Priscilla E Smith 33
William T Smith 13 - ???Births Mar 1878 SMITH William Isaac Walsall 6b 692
Phoebe E Smith 7 - ???Births Jun 1882 Smith Phoebe Elizabeth Wolverhampton 6b 607
Caroline M Smith 5 - ???Births Mar 1886 SMITH Caroline Maud Wolverhampton 6b 549
George Hy Smith 1

1901 England Census
Name: George H Smith
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Priscilla E Smith
Gender: Male
Where born: West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England
Civil parish: Wednesbury
Ecclesiastical parish: St Bartholomew
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Registration district: West Bromwich
Sub-registration district: Wednesbury
Piece: 2728
Folio: 93
Page Number: 29
Household Members: Name Age
Priscilla E Smith 43 - married
John Smith 21- son; Blacksmith Striker; born Wolverhampton
George H Smith 12
Minnie Smith 7
Sarah A Smith 4
Florrie T Smith 2 [Actually Florrie V which is confirmed in 1911.]
Henry Hobby 45 - visitor
There is a Joseph Hobby in this household too. His name is above Priscilla's and relationship was originally 'Head' which is crossed out.

Too many birth registrations for a John Smith at Wolverhampton, however ....
name: John Smith
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 12 Mar 1880
baptism/christening place: St. Andrews, Wolverhampton, Stafford, England
father's name: William Isaac Smith
mother's name: Priscilla Elizabeth
indexing project (batch) number: C01198-9

:-D :-D :-Dwell thank you so v v v vmuchxx

Ok i now need help with an italain bride and english army personnel. groom was charles thomas moore bride Brunetta Murre from trieste Italy. married in 1947 i have llooked on family search free bmd any other ideas please?

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