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The first record i have of my gg/father is his marriage cannot find birth 1852 denbigh Wales or anything in 1861 census
1871 census ?? lodger/boarder (maybe him )
1872 marriage to Matilda Roberts
1881 onwards is fine
new set of eyes might find him/ would love to fing his parents
Thank you Sheila

You have not given his name....
Father will be on marriage certificate...

Added:
Marriages Dec 1872
Evans Edward Wrexham 11b 677
xxx PHOENIX Joseph Wrexham 11b 677
xxx Roberts Matilda Wrexham 11b 677
Tootell Margaret Wrexham 11b 677

Just for ref:
1881 Wales Census
Joseph Phoenix Age: 28 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Matilda Phoenix
Gender: Male Where born: Gwersyllt, Denbighshire, Wales
Civil parish: Stansty County/Island: Denbighshire
Country: Wales Street Address: Railway Cott Rhosddu
Occupation: Coalminer
Registration district: Wrexham Sub-registration district: Ruabon
ED, institution, or vessel: 36 Piece: 5520 Folio: 118 Page Number: 28
Joseph Phoenix 28
Matilda Phoenix 29
Sarah J. Phoenix 7
Margaret Phoenix 4
Robert Phoenix 1
Manuel Price 35
Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 5520; Folio: 118; Page: 28; GSU roll: 1342327.

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1861 Wales Census
Joseph Pheonix Age: 9 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John Pheonix
Mother's Name: Ann Pheonix
Gender: Male Where born: Stansty, Denbighshire, Wales
Civil Parish or Township: Stansty
Ecclesiastical parish: Gwersyllt
County/Island: Denbighshire Country: Wales
Registration district: Wrexham n Sub-registration district: Wrexham
ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Household schedule number: 73
Piece: 4284 Folio: 27 Page Number: 25
John Pheonix 34
Ann Pheonix 26
Thomas Pheonix 14
Joseph Pheonix 9
Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 4284; Folio: 27; Page: 25; GSU roll: 543261.

yes thats him nothing before that anywhere ??

Info deleted, wrong man

Parents without him in 1871
1871 Wales Census
John Phoenix Age: 43 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1828
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Anne Phoenix
Gender: Male Where born: Gresford, Denbighshire, Wales
Civil parish: Gwersyllt Ecclesiastical parish: Gwersyllt County/Island: Denbighshire Country: Wales
Registration district: Wrexham Sub-registration district: Wrexham
ED, institution, or vessel: 7a Household schedule number: 185 Piece: 5654
Folio: 116 Page Number: 35
John Phoenix 43
Anne Phoenix 36
Sarah Anne Phoenix 7
James Phoenix 4
Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 5654; Folio: 116; Page: 35; GSU roll: 892486.

sorry patchem we must have posted at the same time,couldnt find that 1861 on ancestry,thank you will try and find more info on parents

Births Jun 1851
Phenix Joseph Wrexham 27 317

so that could be him as a lodger on 1871,thank you all for your help