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Thanks everyone for your help,it's given me a lot to think about and look at.I really appreciate people taking the time to help

Cheers

Sue x

Looks like Jane's mother's death

Deaths Dec 1883 (>99%)

SHORT Clara Avis 36 Strand 1b 416

Baptism (Find My Past)
names:Jane
Surname:Short
Baptism year:1877
Baptism month:Jun
Baptism day:17
Parish:St Clement Danes
County:Middlesex
Page:529
Birth year:-
Birth month:-
Birth day:-
Father's First names:Thomas (Porter in Covent Garden Market)
Mother's First names:Clara Avis (?, looks like Avis)
Data provider:Westminster Archives
(address, 1, Eversley Court)

Chris :)

1911
SHORT, James Single 30 1881 Strand London Middlesex
RG number: RG14
Piece: 34971
Reference: RG14PN34971 RD640 SD2 ED6 SN9999
Registration District:
Sub District:
Enumeration District: 6
Parish:
Address:
County: Royal Navy at Sea and in ports abroad


http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/Details?uri=D7143177

(Navy Record on above, £3.36 to download)

Name Short, James
Official Number: 188794
Place of Birth: London
Date: 19 December 1880

Possibly both Jane and her brother James were in an institution by 1891

1891

Name: Jane Short
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Relation: Scholar
Gender: Female
Where born: St Clement Danes, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Edmonton
Ecclesiastical parish: Upper Edmonton St James
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Edmonton
Sub-registration district: Edmonton
ED, institution, or vessel: Strand Union Infant Establishment
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1084
Folio: 192
Page Number: 3
Household Members:
Name Age
Jane Short 14
James Short 12

(apologies Patchem, had just added, lol)

Chris :)

edits (a Clara Jane Butt Burial also on link posted above 1971)


Name: Caroline Flynn (Isabel Caroline on image)
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 10 Dec 1902 (Born Aug 18th)
Father's Name: Thomas Henry Flynn (Porter)
Mother's Name: Jane Flynn
Parish or Poor Law Union: Queen Square St George the Martyr
Borough: Camden
Register Type: Parish Registers
(address as 36, Hermes Street, underneath written Pentonville Rd ch. Hospl.?

Deaths Dec 1902 (>99%)
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Flynn Isabel Caroline 0 Holborn 1b 426

So she married as Short not Flynn?

Sorry, just noticed it said 'spinster' !

Have you got deaths for George and Jane Butt, or did either marry again?
Thanks

Added:
?
Clara Jane Butt
Birth Date: 28 May 1880
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1971
Age at Death: 91
Registration district: St Pancras
Inferred County: London
Volume: 5d
Page: 2145

Name: George Ernest Butt (Soldier) (Bachelor)
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885
Age: 29
Spouse Name: Clara Jane Short (Spinster)
Spouse Age: 31
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 25 Oct 1914
Parish: Battle Bridge All Saints
Borough: Islington
Father Name: William Butt (Bricklayer Deceased)
Spouse Father Name: Thomas Short (Porter Deceased)
Register Type: Parish Register
(witnesses, Esther Moseley, Morlay?, Mary Annie Ellen Bennett, address for both, 49, Caledonian Road)

Chris :)

Name: Jane Short (Spinster)
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878
Age: 22
Spouse Name: Thomas Henry Flynn (Hotel Porter. Bachelor)
Spouse Age: 23
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 17 Sep 1900
Parish: Canonbury St Paul
Borough: Islington
Father Name: Thomas Short (General Porter Deceased)
Spouse Father Name: Thomas William Flynn (Portmanteau Maker)
Register Type: Parish Register
(witnesses C Flynn, Thomas Chapman)

Mr Rayner married Mary Ann, so Mr Butt married Edith Emily Elderkin. Edith is back with her family in 1911
1911
ELDERKIN, Eva Lillian Head Single F 23 1888 Housekeeper Finsbury Pack
BUTT, Edith Emily Sister Married 7 years F 26 1885 Vegtable Cook Finsbury Pack
ELDERKIN, Lavina Evelyn Sister Single F 20 1891 Bar Hand Wood Green
ELDERKIN, James Stevens Brother Single M 17 1894 Porter Wood Green
RG number: RG14 Piece: 933 Reference: RG14PN933 RG78PN32 RD10 SD6 ED31 SN317
Registration District: Islington Sub District: Islington South East Enumeration District: 31 Parish: Islington
Address: 20 Waterloo Terrace Islington N County: London

Any chance that Jane Short has already moved in with Mr Butt for the 1911 census, and marries him later?

George Ernest first marriage, not to a Jane, and 7 years previously?
Marriages Mar 1904
Butt George Ernest Islington 1b 479
Elderkin Edith Emily Islington 1b 479
Rayner Robert James Islington 1b 479
ROBINSON Mary Ann A Islington 1b 479

Deaths Jun 1907 (>99%)
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FLYNN Thomas Henry 0 Islington 1b 120


(not sure if related, but above Burial, on below link)

https://www.deceasedonline.com/servlet/GSDOSearch

Chris :)

Jane doesn't appear to be living with her husband in 1901 with him living at home still at 306 Essex Road

1901

Name: Thomas Flynn
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Thomas Flynn
Mother's Name: Caroline Flynn
Gender: Male
Where born: Chelsea, London, England

Civil parish: Islington
Ecclesiastical parish: St John the Baptist Cleveland Road
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Islington
Sub-registration district: Islington, South-East
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 325
Piece: 187
Folio: 48
Page Number: 37
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Flynn 52 Leather Bag Maker
Caroline Flynn 46
Thomas Flynn 23
Frederick Flynn 18
Lilly Flynn 12
Edith Flynn 10
Ernest Flynn 6
Willie Elridge 6
Frank Elridge 4

Is this the one you are referring to as being in 1914???????

BUTT, George Earnest Head M 26 1885 Assistant Greengrocer Finsbury Park London
BUTT, Jane Wife Married4 years F 30 1881 London King Lane

RG number: RG14
Piece: 902
Reference: RG14PN902 RG78PN31 RD10 SD5 ED31 SN43
Registration District: Islington
Sub District: Barnsbury
Enumeration District: 31
Parish: Islington
Address: 108 Caledonian Road Islington London N
County: London

????????????

1911 census -

Institution: Strand Union Industrial School, STRAND UNION INDUSTRIAL SCHOOL

FLYNN, Clara F 11 1900 Inmate Scholar London St Mary Islington

RG number: RG14
Piece: 7406
Reference: RG14PN7406 RD132 SD5 ED59 SN1
Registration District: Edmonton
Sub District: Edmonton
Enumeration District: 59
Parish: Edmonton
Address: Millfield House Silver Street Upper Edmonton
County: Middlesex

Clara is alone in the industrial school in 1911 so has her father died or travelled perhaps

FLYNN, Clara F 11 1900 Inmate Scholar London St Mary Islington

Only one in London born 1878, +/- 4 years???????

1881 census ???????

SHORT, Thomas Head Married M 47 1834 Porter Covent Gard Market South Molton, Devon
SHORT, Clara A Wife Married F 32 1849 St Pancras, Middlesex
SHORT, Mary E Daughter Single F 14 1867 Machine Ruler (Pte) Hamstead, Middlesex
SHORT, Ester M Daughter Single F 12 1869 Scholar St Giles, Middlesex
SHORT, William G Son Single M 10 1871 Scholar Westminster St Clement Danes
SHORT, Alice Daughter Single F 7 1874 Scholar Westminster St Clement Danes
SHORT, Jane Daughter Single F 3 1878 Westminster St Clement Danes
SHORT, James Son Single M 1 1880 Westminster St Clement Danes

Piece: 335
Folio: 118
Page: 10
Registration District: Strand
Civil Parish: St Clement Danes
Municipal Borough:
Address: 1, Harford Place, St Clement Danes
County: London, Middlesex


???????????
Births Sep 1877 (>99%)
Short Jane Strand 1b 643

The district Strand is an alternative name for Strand and it spans the boundaries of the counties of London and Middlesex

Jane Short (22) married Thos.Henry Flynn (23) 17/9/1900 He lived at 306 Essex Rd,Islington she lived at 137 Balls Pond Rd,Hackney.Her Dad Thos Short (deceased) his Dad Thos Wmn Flynn.They had a child (my Nan) Clara Avis Maud Flynn on 14/10/1900 when they were both living at 306 Essex Rd,Islington.

I cannot trace Jane and her family before she got married and not again until she appears as re-married in 1914 to George Ernest Butt

Any experienced people out there that can help.Will provide any more info.requested Cheers