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William Grice 1849 West Derby Lancs
Mary Ann Grice 1850 Lancs
Elizabeth Grice 1870 Sutton Lancs
are 1871 census on Ancestry
Cannot find on 1881 tried variations on Grice to no avail
Found on 1891& 1901
Regards
John

For info.

Might be better to include all names. Do you have another thread about this family, sounds familiar? Apologies if not!:

1891 England Census
Name: Robert Grice
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William Grice
Mother's name: Mary Grice
Gender: Male
Where born: Sutton, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Sutton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Nicholas
Town: St Helens
County/Island: Lancashire

Registration district: Prescot
Sub-registration district: St Helens

William Grice 42
Mary Grice 42
Elizabeth Grice 20
Alice Grice 18
Robert Grice 16
Martha Grice 13
Mary Grice 12
William Grice 10
Sarah Grice 8
James Grice 5
Thomas Grice 3
Ellen Grice 11/12

John does have another thread, but its about James Grice b 1842 Wold Newton.

Although in this current thread may be related, it is not a duplicate as John is looking for only one person in a specific census

James Grice thread
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/genealogy_chat/thread/1311623

Must admit I am struggling on Ancestry too! Though we did find the other Grice family. So FMP is prob. the right way to go.
Jan

This the only one I can see on FMP

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1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
First Name - WILLIAM
Last Name - GRICE
Collections from - United Kingdom
Country - ENGLAND
Record set - 1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census
County - Nottinghamshire
Year - 1871
Birth Year - 1849
Age - 22
Enumeration District - 15
Registration District - BASFORD
Other Household Members
First Name


MARY A GRICE 1852 19 WIFE

Can anyone make out address 1871 on Ancestry? On the off-chance they were there. 1891 was Norman Rd and they aren't there as far as I can tell.
Jan

Address in 1871 that Susan posted looks like Church Street, Kirkby and transcribed accordingly on FMP:

GRICE, William Lodger M 22 1849 Lincolnshire, b Corby - coal miner
GRICE, Mary A Wife F 19 1852 Nottinghamshire, b Kirkby - seamstress

Piece: 3478 Folio: 130 Page: 57
Registration District: Basford
Civil Parish: Kirkby

Address: Church Street, Kirkby County: Nottinghamshire

It's this one MarieCeleste - I think! A few Ancestry trees have this family, but nobody seems to have them 1881.

1871 England Census
Name: William Grice
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary A Grice
Gender: Male
Where born: West Derby, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Sutton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Nicholas
Town: St Helens
County/Island: Lancashire

William Grice 22
Mary A Grice 21 Where born: Ormskirk, Lancashire, England
Elizabeth Grice 4 Months Where born: Sutton, Lancashire, England


Jan

Right! The address is very clear on FMP (bearing in mind they've done the old fashioned think of substituting an "f" for one of the "s"

GRICE, William Head M 22 1849 Lancashire
GRICE, Mary A Wife F 21 1850 Lancashire
GRICE, Elizabeth Daughter F 0 1871 Lancashire

Piece: 3867 Folio: 24 Page: 42
Registration District: Prescot
Civil Parish: Sutton
Municipal Borough: St Helen

Address: Moss Lane, Sutton, St Helen County: Lancashire

Thank you all for the effort in trying to solve problem much appreciated
Regards
John

Thank you all for the effort in trying to solve problem much appreciated
Regards
John

I think neither Ancestry nor FMP transcribed 1881, but they both just used the pre-existing LDS FS transcription.

The only other thing I can think of - following the idea of looking at addresses - is to get nearest birth cert to 1881 census, i.e. William's, but unfortunately there are two equally likely births!

Births Dec 1880 (>99%)
GRICE William Prescot 8b 713
Births Mar 1881)
GRICE William Prescot 8b 788

Jan

I would be tempted to say it was the 1881 one

Baptisms: 27 Mar 1881 St Nicholas, Sutton, Lancashire, England
William Grice - Son of William Grice & Mary Ann
Abode: Sutton
Occupation: Labourer
Baptised by: George Tripp
Register: Baptisms 1871 - 1887, Page 176, Entry 1401
Source: LDS Film 1657568

However in 1891 they were living in Normans Rd which does not seem to appear on FMP address search in 1881. Nor can I find some others who were also living in that road in 1891

Marriage of Elizabeth Grice Spinster of Sutton (Father William) to John Dickinson on 5/9/1891 at St Nicholas Sutton . Fits with a baptism record also same church 12/2/1871 Abode Sutton -parents William (Labourer) and Mary .

Also baptisms for Alice 1/6/1873,Martha 9/9/1877,Mary 24/8/1879,William 27/3/1881 (as previous post),Sarah 16/9/1883,James 31/10/1886,Thomas 18/12/1887 and Ellen 15/2/1891 - all fit with census mentioned above and all are at St Nicholas Sutton and abode is given as Sutton so they must be there somewhere in 1881 .

All baptisms cross ref with Lancs birth register for appropriate years and any one of Alice, Martha Sarah Thomas or Ellen would probably be good risk for an actual cert to get actual address as not another child same name same year in St Helens.

Su

LancashireAnn, I did wonder if the 2 roads were somehow linked? Found this 1881. Comes under parish of St. Nicholas so right sort of area I think?? Just a thought.

1881 England Census
Name: Thos. Appleton
Age: 42
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Thos. Appleton
Mother's name: Eliza Appleton
Gender: Male
Where born: St Helens, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Sutton
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address: 16 Normans Moss Lane

Occupation: Store Keeper

Registration district: Prescot
Sub-registration district: St Helens

Thos. Appleton 68
Eliza Appleton 70
Thos. Appleton 42
Will. Appleton 28

Jan