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Hello can any one tell what own account means for some one in work house or prison i have a George Eccles b1872 Birmingham in 1901 census shows him as prisoner at All saints Birmingham with own account .Is this the prison as i recall it been big depressing place prison plus mental asylum in the 1960s 70s
No records of him in 1911 census .
Yrs Dave

'Own Account' means that he works for himself

To find info about the institution itself..............google

He seems to have made a habit of offending

Name: George Eccles
[Thos Smith]
Birth Year: abt 1872
Trial Age: 38
Trial Date: 10 Oct 1910
Civil Place: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Court Name: Victoria Courts
Session: General Quarter Sessions of the Peace (Oct)
Session Date: 10 Oct 1910
Source: General Quarter Sessions of the Peace
Reference Number: QS/B/20/93


There is a long list of crimes...............and he pleaded guilty to being an habitual offender. 15 offences accounted for

Sentenced to 3 years' penal servitude, and 5 and a half years preventive detention

So, he'd be in prison in 1911

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An earlier Court appearance

Name: George Eccles
Birth Year: abt 1872
Trial Age: 36
Trial Date: 4 Feb 1908
Civil Place: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Court Name: Victoria Courts
Session: General Quarter Sessions of the Peace (Feb)
Session Date: 3 Feb 1908
Source: General Quarter Sessions of the Peace
Reference Number: QS/B/20/74

Possible death for him (the age would be about right):-

Name: ECCLES, George
Registration district: Birmingham
County: Warwickshire
Year of registration: 1910
Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at death: 38
Volume no: 6D
Page no: 50

Kath. x

Possible marriage for him in 1891 to Margaret Burt or Selina Hood. (probably Margaret Burt after looking at the 1911 census where Margaret Eccles is a widow).

Dec. qtr. 1891, Birmingham, 6d, 264.

The page number is mis-transcribed on Findmypast.

Kath. x

Possibly his wife and child in the 1901 census:-

1901 census transcription details for: 11, 47, House, Back Of Pope Street, Birmingham

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG13
Piece: 2824
Folio: 79
Page: 19
Reg. District: Birmingham
Sub District: Lady Wood
Parish: Birmingham
Enum. District: 4
Ecclesiastical District: St Paul
City/Municipal Borough:

Address: 11, 47, House, Back Of Pope Street, Birmingham
County: Warwickshire

Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born

ECCLES, Margaret Head Married F 28 1873 Shirt Ironer
Bristol, Gloucestershire
ECCLES, Walter Son Single M 3 1898
Birmingham

and again in the 1911 census:-

1911 census transcription details for: 1 Ho Court 15 Bridge Street West Birmingham

National Archive Reference:
RG14PN18080 RG78PN1097 RD384 SD3 ED20 SN48
Reg. District: Birmingham
Sub District: St George
Parish: Birmingham
Enum. District: 20

Address: 1 Ho Court 15 Bridge Street West Birmingham
County: Warwickshire

Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born

ECCLES, Margaret Head Widow F 38 1873 Laundress Old King St Bristol
ECCLES, Walter Son Single M 13 1898 School Bracebridge St Birmingham CB
ECCLES, Jessie Daughter Daughter F 9 1902 School Wheeler St Birmingham CB

Kath. x

Good find, Kathleen

I hadn't looked for a death................I'd assumed that the OP would have done so

Hey a big thank you to each and every one of you who took time and effort to help me in this matter , all replies have been a great help . Reggie how did you get the courts records? .
Best regards to you all Dave

I found them on Ancestry.............a subscription site