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yes you could be right the only thing i am sure about my grand father was a only child and my great grand mother remarried in 1901 all my tree could be miles out before them

Having read the previous thread, I'm rather glad I didn't start to explore the James Gunn who died in Kingston reg, Surrey!

Malcolm, as the MC you have states that James the father was a carpenter, could you have latched on to that James as a 'best fit' rather than any other sources?

Maritime deaths (Find My Past)
1794-1964

Name:GUNN, James
Date of death:24 March 1898
Age:24
Place of death:North Sea
Place of birth:Gravesend
Belonging to service:
Ship's name:Leechmere
Series:BT334 - Registers and Indexes of Births, Marriages and Deaths of Passengers and Seamen at Sea
Box:0019
Page:9

Chris :)

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1298971

(relating above)

http://www.genesreunited.com.au/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1310455

Although you know this, for us to establish 'your' Samuel Gunn

1891 England Census about Samuel Gunn
Name: Samuel Gunn
Age: 46
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Harriet Gunn
Gender: Male
Where born: Gainsborough, Yorkshire, England
[Guisborough, Yorkshire, England]
Civil Parish: Milton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter and St Paul
Town: Gravesend
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

rs:
Name Age
Samuel Gunn 46
Harriet Gunn 51 -2nd 'wife' b Chatham
James Gunn 18 - son of 1st spouse b Guisbobourgh
Samuel Gunn 16 - son of 1st spouse b Guisborough
Edith Huneybell 17 - step child
Alfred Huneybell 13 - step child
................................
1881 England Census about Samuel Gun
Name: Samuel Gun
Age: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
Relationship to Head: Head
Spouse: Emma Gun
Gender: Male
Where born: Middlesborough, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Caterham
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Street Address: 4 Woodville Terr
Marital Status: Married
Education:
Occupation: Carpenter

Name Age
Samuel Gun 36
Emma Gun 28 - 1853, Coleshill, Warwickshire, England
Samuel Gun 2 - 1879, Middlesboro, Yorkshire, England
James Gun 10 - 1871 Middlesboro, Yorkshire, England
Helenor Gun 6m - 1880 Horsted Keynes, Sussex

The William Samuel Gunn who was born and died in 1862 in Great Yarmouth is obviously not the same as the Samuel Gunn who died in Gravesend, Kent in 1892.

Which James Gunn do you believe to be Samuel's father?

Deaths in 1892

James Sinclair Gunn
abt 1811 Jul-Aug-Sep 1892 Hemel Hempstead Hertfordshire

James Gunn
abt 1822 Oct-Nov-Dec 1892 Warwick Warwickshire

James Gunn
abt 1826 Apr-May-Jun 1892 Kingston Surrey

2 related Probate Calendar entries

(Warwick death)
GUNN James of Stivichall Warwickshire farm labourer died 19 Oct 1892. Admin Birmingham to Charles Gunn watch finisher. Effects £456 15s 5d

(Hemel Hempstead death)
GUNN James Saint Clair of 132 Marlowes Hemel Hempstead Hertfordshire gentleman died 6 Sep 1892. Probate London 4 Oct to Robert Dorrofield coal merchant. Effects £232 17s 6d

hi his fathers name was James Gunn a carpenter by trade who died 1892 as did Samuel, Samuels son James died at sea in 1898 ship went down in a storm leaving an only son James my Grand Father. the grey area lies with Samuel Gunn or William Samuel Gunn are they the same person?

As you seem to be back-tracking from the Samuel Gunn who died in Gravesend - have you bought his 2nd (only?)marriage certificate to see if he named his father?

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index, 1837-1915 about Samuel Gunn
Name: Samuel Gunn
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1890
Registration District: Gravesend
Inferred County: Kent
Volume Number: 2a
Page Number: 844

As you were looking for children of William Samuel Gunn and Clarissa,

Clarissa with her second husband

1871 England Census about Henry Dew
Name: Henry Dew
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Clara Dew
Gender: Male
Where born: Great Yarmouth, Norfolk, England
Civil Parish: Great Yarmouth
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England
Registration District: Yarmouth
Sub-registration District: Yarmouth Northern

Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Dew 30 - occupation Green Grocer (he probably took over William's shop)
Clara Dew 37
Frederick Dew 10
Herbert Dew 8

Address - Albion Road

This could be Herbert's birth reg
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Herbert Andrew Gunn
Name: Herbert Andrew Gunn
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1862
Registration District: Yarmouth
Inferred County: Norfolk
Volume: 4b
Page: 25

IF the burial is correct (which I think it is), could Clarinda have married again?


County Norfolk
Place Great Yarmouth
Church St. Nicholas
Register Number 301
Marriage Date 03 Dec 1865
Groom Forename Henry James
Groom Surname DEW
Groom Age 28
Groom Parish
Groom Condition Bachelor
Groom Occupation Carpenter
Groom Abode St Peter's Place
>>>>Bride Forename Clara
>>>>Bride Surname GUNN
Bride Age 30
Bride Parish
>>>>Bride Condition Widow
Bride Occupation
Bride Abode Albion Road
Groom Father Forename William
Groom Father Surname DEW
Groom Father Occupation Carter
Bride Father Forename Robert
>>>>>>Bride Father Surname DAVY
Bride Father Occupation Sailor
Witness One Forename John
Witness One Surname EAVES
Witness Two Forename Susannah
Witness Two Surname EAVES
Notes Groom, witness 2 signed by mark.
File Number 23605

http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl

William Samuel Gunn won't have a birth certificate as he was born before July 1837. Until 1876 (ish) there were no penalties for not registering a birth.

As you have now mentioned a Samuel Gunn, is William Samuel Gunn a direct ancestor, or part of the extended family?

The death reg could be him


County Norfolk
Place Great Yarmouth
Church St Nicholas
Register Number 791
Burial Date 11 Sep 1864
Forename William
Surname GUNN
Age 33
Abode Albion Road (Cemetery)
FileNumber 3731

http://www.freereg.org.uk/

the problem i have, i have a Samuel Gunn in my tree with no birth registered but found on censes to be born in Guisbourgh [could he be William Samuel] contacted the register office and they cannot find any registration, i have found out he had family down in Suffolk and Kent, he died in Gravesend in 1892

?????

Pity it doesn't show the age at death

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915 about William Gunn
Name: William Gunn
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1864
Registration District: Yarmouth
Inferred County: Norfolk
Volume: 4b
Page: 17

If the MC names William's father as William Hughes Gunn, this may be relevant

England & Wales Christening Records, 1530-1906
Name: William Samuel Gunn
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 20 Jun 1831
Christening Place: Yarmouth, Norfolk, England
Father's Name: William Hughes Gunn
Mother's Name: Harriot

hi yes they were married in 1856 as i have a birth certificate for their son Frederick James born 1860 in Yarmouth forgot to say in my last post don`t know who Susan Mead or Robert Sharman are

Where did you get your marriage info?

???????????

1861 census


Person: GUNN, William Address: Albion Road, Great Yarmouth

GUNN, William Head Married M 29 1832 Greengrocer
Great Yarmouth, Norfolk VIEW
GUNN, Clare Wife Married F 27 1834
Ipswich, Suffolk VIEW
GUNN, George Son M 3 1858
Great Yarmouth, Norfolk VIEW
GUNN, Frederick Son M 0 (5M) 1861
Great Yarmouth, Norfolk

Malcolm, can I just ask how you know he married Clarinda? There is also a Susan Mede named on the index:

Name: Clarinda Jemima Davy
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1856
Registration District: Yarmouth
Inferred County: Norfolk

Clarinda Jemima Davy
William Samuel Gunn
Susan Mede
Robert Sharman

Jan

can anyone find any info on william samuel gunn all i have he was married in 1860 to Clarinda Jemima Davy did they have any children ?