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Is there any way on GR to search for ,sons & daughters by their surname,using the mothers maiden name.
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When and where are you looking for?
Andy
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You can do that on FreeBMD but only after 1912. Why pay to search on GR when it's free on FreeBMD?
http://www.freebmd.org.uk/
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Margee - it's actually from 1911q3 on. Presumably, Nick's already paid, but one obvious reason is FreeBMD has completely transcribed no quarter after 1970.
Nick - you enter the surname as a surname, and the mother's maiden surname as a keyword, then filter your hits as births (to exclude marrs, etc).
A better solution is to use FreeBMD up to 1970, and to deal with the untranscribed cases (1943q4 on) via Ancestry's 1916-2007 collection via:
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=8782
This gives you the option of filtering by county e.g.. To see the actual details, click on the shopping basket - Ancestry shows you details of the order it will place for you, assuming you're happy to pay an extra 12.74 GBP to have Ancestry place the order for you, rather than placing it yourself via:
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/
If you decide not to proceed with the Ancestry order, simply close the popped-up window.
PS GR's keyword approach will not work well if the mum's m.s. is the name of a rego district, (e.g., Manchester) county (e.g., Derbyshire) or country (e.g., England) - the latter two occur in my tree.
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I think the only way to do this on GR is to enter the mothers maiden name where it says "Opitional Keywords".
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Which country?
And what time-scale?
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For some sort of clue................this person is in Nick's tree
Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1897
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
RAFFE Constance Irene Stretford Trafford STR/53/6
She married Ashby in 1918
So look for births using freebmd........much the best and easiest option
EDIT
Nicholas appears to be a product of the marriage to which I referred..............with one older sibling, so one must assume he has the info.
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1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
First Name CONSTANCE I
Last Name RAFFE
Relationship DAUGHTER
Condition -
Gender Female
Year Of Birth 1898
Age 13
Occupation SCHOOL GIRL
Address 49 DONALDSON ROAD KILBURN N W
Parish WILLESDEN
County Middlesex
Country ENGLAND
Where Born MANCHESTER LANCS
Year Of Marriage -
Years Of Marriage -
Archive Reference RG14
Piece Number 6989
Census Reference RG14PN6989 RG78PN346A RD129 SD1 ED9 SN182
Registration District WILLESDEN
Registration District Number 129
Sub District WILLESDEN
Enumeration District 9
SubDistrict Number 1
Household Members
First Name Last Name Relationship Year Of Birth Age Where Born
MERCY RAFFE - 1861 50 BODMIN CORNWALL Image Transcription
ROBERT RAFFE SON 1891 20 SOUTHSEA HANTS Image Transcription
CONSTANCE I RAFFE DAUGHTER 1898 13 MANCHESTER LANCS Image Transcription
MTN REME DE NOGIVE BOARDER 1884 27 PARIS FRANCE
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Showing the 'Suffolk' connecion
1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
First Name MERCY
Last Name RAFFE
Relationship WIFE
Condition MARRIED
Gender Female
Age 40
Year Of Birth 1861
Occupation -
Birth Town BODMIN
Birth County CORNWALL
Birth Place -
Street WORTHINGTON STREET
Town -
Parish STRETFORD
City -
Country ENGLAND
County Lancashire
Vessel Name -
Municipal Ward TRAFFORD
Registration District BARTON UPON IRWELL
Archive Reference RG13
Piece Number 3665
Folio 179
Page 35
Household Members
First Name Last Name Relationship Age Year Of Birth Birth Town
WALTER R RAFFE HEAD 42 1859 STOWMARKET Image Transcription
MERCY RAFFE WIFE 40 1861 BODMIN Image Transcription
WALTER G RAFFE SON 12 1889 WIGAN Image Transcription
ROBERT C RAFFE SON 10 1891 SOUTHSEA Image Transcription
CONSTANCE J RAFFE DAUGHTER 3 1898 MANCHESTER
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Thank you for replies.It is when you find a marriage and are trying to find children.I have done this on free BMD,Findmypast & Ancestry.
The results are usually the same,allowing for transcription errors on Ancestry,but I like to check every source.
Nick
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As all info after 1837 is from the GRO index, one would expect results to tally.
You are looking at the images, one hopes, as you have access to Ancestry and FMP...................
The other option is to purchase copy certs............
GR do NOT transcribe ANY info
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Although the advice given above is fine for the GRO index, that's not the only index of BMDs knocking around. One can buy BMD certs from the local RD that now holds the original regos (for marrs, it's only the original rego for rego office or registrar attended marrs - the RDs have a copy of church marrs performed in their districts - these originals are lodged in some local archive). The relevance of this is that some local indexes are online, see:
http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/local_bmd
and these indexes nexessarily contain difft info from the GRO index. E.g.,
Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1888
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
RAFFE Walter George Wigan Wigan & Leigh PIDDUCK WIG/168/259
The local ref identifies the subdistrict or chrch - sometimes with a guessable code (although it's given explicitly here); the rego # within that subdistrict; and lastly, an entry # or page #.
Local regos had 100 pages and 500 entries - marrs usually are indexed by the entry # (so one can pair spouses within the page, unlike the early GRO indexes) - here, Wigan & Leigh are obviously using entry # for Bs (also true for Ds)..
The next (marr) example has nothing to do with your folk - it's from Co Durham:
Surname Forename(s) Year District
REILLEY William 1846 Durham Northern
McCONNELL Catherine 1846 Durham Northern
Register No. - Entry No. - District
DNRLAN1 - 34 - Durham Northern (1846)
The ref is gotten from the postal application form - the church is not identified, but one can guess DNRLAN1 is the 1st volume of the Lanchester Registrar's own rego, so this marr was either performed in a rego office, or maybe an approved RC church. Although the building might have been approved for marrs, the only non-conformists that were authorized to keep official marr regos pre-1898 were jews and quakers, so a marr in an RC church would need the registrar to attend with his official marr register, and the marr would be recorded therein, mixed in with his rego office marrs. (Regos for jews often have an J or S in their ref, sim quakers often have a Q or F in theirs, RCs weren't authorized to keep official marr regos until the 1980s, I think).
The point of this is that this info is helpful if I'm looking in the archives for parish regos - there's nothing to stop an unofficial marr entry being recorded in a non-conformist church, but it won't normally be in a C of E rego, although banns might be in some circumstances.
Note Greater Manchester straddles historic Cheshire and Lancaster, so it's worth checking both:
http://www.cheshirebmd.org.uk
http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk
Some Oldham and Tameside subdistricts include the mum's m.s. on births.
Greater M/c parish regos are online via Ancestry and FS
https://familysearch.org/search/collection/list#page=1®ion=UNITED_KINGDOM_IRELAND
(although FS call their collection:
England, Lancashire, Cheshire, Yorkshire, Parish Registers, 1603-1910
it's really the docese of Manchester, NB it's only partly indexed, so look up in normal way first, and if that doesn't work, try the "Browse through 248,202 images" link. - if you've found the local ref for a marr, then you know the entry # -
also there are some transcriptions via:
http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/
E.g,
Baptism: 9 Sep 1888 St Thomas, Wigan, Lancashire, England
Walter George Raffe - [Child] of Walter Robert Raffe & Mercy
Born: 16 Aug 1888
Abode: 15 Caroline St.
Occupation: Draper's Assistant
Baptised by: R. Tebbs, Curate
Register: Baptisms 1885 - 1927, Page 42, Entry 335
Source: Original register at Wigan Archives
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EDIT Official church (and the registrar's) marr regos had 500 entries, but only 2 per page, so 250 pages per rego.
Sorry for the oversight.
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