Genealogy Chat

Hi Fiona, what a sad story. Poor Harry not being acknowledged by his mother.

I think we're all having a problem with the 1901 as well.

sorry meant to say can't find them in 1901c

Can find know record of Harry or Betsy in 1901C

Hi
You lot are brilliant!
Thanks for all that research
We thought that harry crawford might be his father and contacted descendants of the
Crawfords in edinburgh.They were not interested in doing a DNA test and sent me photos of Harry who did not look a bit like my husband's grandfather.
Harry did not go to US with his Mum and was left in the poor house in Perth.I can find only 1 entry for him in 1904 in the poorhouse records when he was sent out to work on a local farm till he was around 14 yrs
Yes fiona on the NZ newspaper thing is me.We arrived back in Perth in 2012.
Betsy/Elizabeth's parents were John Campbell and Janet/Jessie Craigdallie.On her Birth cert her name was Betsy but on other records she was known as Elizabeth/Lizzie and even Bessie.
The GI's we don't know their names.Harry's daughter in law is still alive but can't remember anything.There are no letters from Betsy to her son Harry left as he destroyed them.She never saw her son again and when the GI's came over he was told to say he was Betsy's cousin as she had not told her new children about him :-D

Do you know the names of the sons who came over in WW2?

Henry snr in 1901

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Print household transcription
Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship to head Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
ELIZABETH A CRAWFORD HEAD WIDOW Female 53 1848 LIVING ON OWN MEANS EDINBURGH, MIDLOTHIAN, SCOTLAND
Transcription
ELIZA A CRAWFORD DAUGHTER SINGLE Female 29 1872 - EDINBURGH, MIDLOTHIAN, SCOTLAND
Transcription
HARRY G CRAWFORD SON SINGLE Male 27 1874 PROVISION & WINE MERCHANT EDINBURGH, MIDLOTHIAN, SCOTLAND
Transcription
CHARLES S CRAWFORD SON SINGLE Male 26 1875 SOLICITOR EDINBURGH, MIDLOTHIAN, SCOTLAND
Transcription
AIKMAN CRAWFORD SON SINGLE Male 24 1877 SHIP OWNER'S CLERK EDINBURGH, MIDLOTHIAN, SCOTLAND
Transcription
AGNES R CRAWFORD DAUGHTER SINGLE Female 22 1879 - EDINBURGH, MIDLOTHIAN, SCOTLAND
Transcription
MARGARET A CRAWFORD DAUGHTER SINGLE Female 19 1882 - EDINBURGH, MIDLOTHIAN, SCOTLAND
Transcription
ALEXINA SCOTT SERVANT SINGLE Female 21 1880 COOK (DOMESTIC) STROMNESS, ORKNEY, SCOTLAND
Transcription
BELLA MACKAY SERVANT SINGLE Female 23 1878 HOUSEMAID (DOMESTIC) DORNOCH, SUTHERLANDSHIRE, SCOTLAND

House number 29
House name CRAIGMILLAR PARK

That tree has this for Betsy.

Parents
John Campbell
1852 – 1921

Jessie Craigdallie
1853 – 1930

Husband
Henry George Crawford
1873 – 1924
Son
Henry Crawford Campbell
1899 – 1978

Husband
nk Tait
1870 –


This for Henry jnr



Birth
1899 12 Jul
Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland

Marriage to Christina Bruce
1922 2 Jun Age: 22
Kinnoull, Perthshire, Scotland
1 Kincarrathie cres

Death
1978 27 Oct Age: 79
Perth Scotland


Children plus 2 still living.
James Bruce Campbell
1925 – 2008

Chisholm Harry Crawford Campbell
1928 – 1954



and this for Henry snr


Birth
1873 13 Jun
Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland

Residence
1891 Age: 18
Edinburgh Liberton, Midlothian, Scotland

Residence
1901 Age: 28
Edinburgh.Midlothian, Scotland

Marriage to Marguerite Ferguson
1902 6 Jun Age: 28
Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland

Death
1924 17 Jul Age: 51
Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland

Looking at a tree at Ancestry, I think this is Betsy




1881 Scotland Census


Name:Betzy Campbell

Age:2

Estimated Birth Year:abt 1879

Relationship:Daughter

Father's Name:
John Campbell

Mother's name:
Janet Craigdelly

Gender:Female

Where born:Perth

Registration Number:387

Registration district:Perth

Civil Parish:Perth West Church

County:Perthshire

Address:No 6 Canal St

ED:20

Household schedule number:68

LINE:11

Roll:cssct1881_109

Household Members:

John Campbell 24
Janet Craigdelly 25
Betzy Campbell 2
Emilia Campbell

______________________________________


She is with siblings here, cant spot her in 1901


1891 Scotland Census

Name:Betsy Campbell

Age:11

Estimated Birth Year:abt 1880

Relationship:Inmate

Gender:Female

Where born:Perth, Perthshire

Registration Number:387

Registration district:Perth

Civil Parish:Perth East Church

Town:Perth

County:Perthshire

Address:Wellshill School of Industry for Girls

Occupation:Scholar

ED:7

Household schedule number:235a

LINE:2

Roll:CSSCT1891_117

Thanks but unfortunately it doesn't help with Bessie. :-(

Wish the poster would come back on and tell us who her parents were.

Looking at the article again, I think that Fiona is possibly the wife of Alec and so they are the contributers to that article. NZ is probably asleep at this time so will wait till later for a reply.

By the way, Bessie is called Elizabeth on Harry's birth certificate. She is a domestic servant at 3 Merchant Street, Edinburgh.

Alviegal, Well done that's a brilliant find.

Have you seen this about Harry?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/local-news/north-harbour-news/29260/Bloody-battle-seared-on-the-mind

Could you tell us who Bessie's parents were please?

There is a birth of HARRY Crawford Campbell, not Henry, in Edinburgh 1899.
This seems to be him.



Royal Artillery attestations 1883-1942 Transcription
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First Name Harry Crawford
Last Name Campbell
Year 1938
Year Of Birth -
Age -
Birth Place -
Soldier Number 1478689


Royal Artillery honours & awards Transcription
First Name Harry Crawford
Last Name Campbell
Post Nominals -
Title -
Year 1942
Place of Residence -
Date of Event -
Rank Sergeant
Status -
Unit Or Regiment 1 LAA Regiment RA
Service Royal Artillery
Date of Discharge -
Reason for Discharge -
Theatre Middle East
Award Mentioned in Dispatches
Remarks on Award -
Recommended by ME 5 Despatch
File No. 68/Gen/7517
Year of Gazette 1942
Further Service Note -
Schedule No. 35821
Cause of Death -
Date of Gazette 15.12.1942

Dis. age limit 1954 is also written on it.

You need to determine the woman's exact first name. It should be on her son's birth cert

do you have Henry,s birth record ?

Did he go with his mum to the US?

hi
My husbands grandfather is illegitimate and the son of Betsy/Lizzie/Elizabeth Campbell (born 1879 Perth Uk)
His name was Henry Crawford Campbell born 1899 Edinburgh
She moved to US around 1903-1910 and married a Tait but we can find no record of them.She had more sons who came over to visit Perth as GI's in the WW2.
Any ideas where to go from here,have tried passenger lists and US census up to 1940,no joy
Thanks
Fiona