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Looking for christening of Henry Moses Holmes born 1877 Nottingham, father William Holmes, mother Marianne, I have searched and continue to on various sites to no avail, can anyone help pleas? thank you

Name: Henry Holmes
Event Type: Birth Registration
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration Year: 1877
Registration District: Nottingham
County: Nottinghamshire
Event Place: Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England
Volume: 7B
Page: 301
Line Number: 356

Name: Henry Holmes
Age (Original): 3
Gender: Male
Birth Year: 1878
Birthplace: Nottingham
Relationship to Head of Household: Son
Marital Status: Single
Address: 4 Cromwell Terrace
Event Place: Nottingham St Mary, Nottinghamshire, England
Record Type: Household
Affiliate Publication Number: RG11
Piece/Folio: 3355 / 162
Page Number: 47
Household Role Gender Age Birthplace
William Holmes Head M 31 Nottingham
Mary Ann Holmes Wife F 34 Spalding, Lincolnshire, England
Alfred Holmes Son M 7 Nottingham
Henry Holmes Son M 3 Nottingham
GS Film number: 1341801

For ref. Where do you get his middle name from please?

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
4, Cromwell Terrace, Nottingham St Mary, Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England
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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William Holmes Head Married Male 31 1850 Lace Warehouseman Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England
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Mary Ann Holmes Wife Married Female 34 1847 - Spalding, Lincolnshire, England
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Alfred Holmes Son Single Male 7 1874 - Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England
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Henry Holmes Son Single Male 3 1878 - Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England


1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Bathley Street, St Mary, Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England
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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William Holmes Head Married Male 41 1850 Warehouseman Nottingham
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Mary A Holmes Wife Married Female 44 1847 - Spalding, Lincolnshire, England
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Alfred Holmes Son Single Male 17 1874 Hosiers Assistant Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England
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Henry Holmes Son Single Male 13 1878 Errand Boy Nottingham

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Name: William Holmes
Age (Original): 31
Gender: Male
Birth Year: 1850
Birthplace: Nottingham
Relationship to Head of Household: Son
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Printer Compositer
Address: 78 Union Rd
Event Place: Nottingham St Mary, Nottinghamshire, England
Record Type: Household
Affiliate Publication Number: RG11
Piece/Folio: 3356 / 121
Page Number: 38
Household Role Gender Age Birthplace
William Holmes Head M 66 Nottingham
William Holmes Son M 31 Nottingham
Caroline Holmes Daughter F 35 Nottingham
Elizabeth Holmes Daughter In Law F 38 Nottingham
Susannah Cheetham Boarder F 67 Nottingham
Susannah Hallard Boarder F 26 Nottingham

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England & Wales births 1837-2006 Transcription
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First name(s) HENRY
Last name HOLMES
Birth year 1877
Birth quarter 3
Registration month -
Mother's last name -
District NOTTINGHAM
County Nottinghamshire
Country England
Volume 7B
Page 275
Record set England & Wales births 1837-2006

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Name: William Holmes
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1871
Gender: Male
Age: 21
Relationship to Head of Household: Son
Birthplace: Nottingham, Nottinghamshire
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Nottingham
Sub-District: St Ann
Parish: St Mary
County: Nottinghamshire
Household Role Gender Age Birthplace
Thomas Holmes Self M 47 Nottingham, Nottinghamshire
William Holmes Son M 21 Nottingham, Nottinghamshire
Emma Holmes Daughter F 19 Nottingham, Nottinghamshire
Sarah A Holmes Daughter F 15 Nottingham, Nottinghamshire
Elizabeth Holmes Daughter F 11 Nottingham, Nottinghamshire
Walter Holmes Son M 9 Nottingham, Nottinghamshire
Ellen Holmes Daughter F 5 Nottingham, Nottinghamshire
Thomas Holmes Father M 77 Nottingham, Nottinghamshire

Baptism
County Nottinghamshire
Place Nottingham
Church St Ann
RegisterNumber
DateOfBirth 19 May 1877
BaptismDate 03 Nov 1878
Forename Henry
Sex M
FatherForename William
MotherForename Mary Ann
FatherSurname HOLMES
MotherSurname
Abode Cromwell Terr
FatherOccupation Box cutter

Chris :)

http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl

(from above link)

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Bathley Street, St Mary, Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England
Print household transcription
Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William Holmes Head Married Male 41 1850 Warehouseman Nottingham
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Mary A Holmes Wife Married Female 44 1847 - Spalding, Lincolnshire, England
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Alfred Holmes Son Single Male 17 1874 Hosiers Assistant Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England
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Henry Holmes Son Single Male 13 1878 Errand Boy Nottingham

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Thank you all, especially to Chris Ho, this looks like the baptism I was looking for. I do know that his middle name was Moses, alviegal

If his middle name was Moses, he must of added it himself as it is not mentioned on his birth reg or baptism :-S

Jax ..................


it does happen!!


OH's Welsh grandfather added a middle name sometime around 1895


He has no middle name on his birth registration, nor on any census up to and including 1891, nor on his apprenticeship papers as a Cabinet Maker signed in 1888.

Then he decided around 1895/1896 to go to Theology College, and a middle name appears ............... it's on the graduate roll at the College, on the 1901 and 1911 Censuses, on his marriage and death registrations, his marriage certificate, and on his grave!



I was thoroughly foxed in finding him for several years because OH of course knew of him only with both forenames ..................... and I could not find anyone with those names!


I'd love to find out where the middle name came from, it sounds more like a surname than a forename, but have not so far been successful!

I thought possibly the surname of his Apprentice Master ............. but nope!




His original name and surname combination is very common in Wales ....................... so maybe he wanted to distinguish himself from all the others :-)

Oh yes I know it happens Sylvia.....my grandmother said she had two middle names of Gertrude Esmeralda when she married ......it was actually just Mary. Her excuse was thats what she thought they were, as her dad always called her Esme :-D

She found out years later when she needed a copy of her birth cert

:-D :-D :-D :-D

Richard definitely did it deliberately, and I think probably when he registered at the College, whenever that was. He qualified, or whatever they called it, in 1901, but I don't know how long the course was

Hi Chris Ho, I am wanting to find the baptism page on another site and I am unable to find it, even with all your help from freereg, I am confused that it is on there but not on some other paid for sites, do you know why? Thanks

Probably because freereg has transcribed them and the other paid sites have not

Emma ................

because you find some information on one site, does not always mean that other sites carry it.

I think Jax is probably correct with her suggestion ............... and the paid sites are refusing to pay freereg for the privilege to access it :-)


you could try familysearch, the Mormon site ...... which is also a free site.

https://familysearch.org/search




sorry ................. it isn't on there either

Thank you for your help everyone