Genealogy Chat

Elaine,

Just look after yourself.

You can return to the post at any time, it will not disappear.

So sorry have had bad news on my state of health and kind of lost the plot. Will get my daughter to continue until I can get my head round the diagnosis I have received. Many thanks to you all. Elaine.

Using http://www.staffordshirebmd.org.uk/

Staffordshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1894
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
BOWEN Richard BAKER Sarah Ann Hanford, St Matthias Stoke-On-Trent 12/01/125.

Staffordshire Birth indexes for the years: 1895
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
BOWEN Hilda Maud Trentham Newcastle-Under-Lyme BAKER TRE/036/319

Staffordshire Birth indexes for the years: 1898
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
BOWEN Clarice Stone Newcastle-Under-Lyme BAKER STE/2A/127

There's a gap 1901-1965 in the birth transcriptions for Stone subdistrict - the 1911 residence.

Looks like Richard 1881 - birthplace says prince's End on image.

No sigh of anybody Welsh though. Relatives born Shropshire.

Everybody thinks Bowens are Welsh don't they, have the same in my family, likewise with Powells!

1881 England Census
Name: Richard Bowen
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872
Relationship to Head: Grandson
Gender: Male
Where born: Hincesend, Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: Cleobury North
County/Island: Shropshire
Country: England
Street address: 7 Hill Side

Occupation: Scholar
Registration district: Bridgnorth
Sub-registration district: Chetton
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page

Benjamin Bowen 64
Eliza Bowen 62
William Bowen 15
Richard Bowen 9

Been on to son in law and he says this is definitely her, I told him the fantastic genes people would get him started, thanks ever so you two.Elaine. got to take dog she's driving me mad. night night.

This looks more like a possible family, when looking for Bowen births in Stone, so her marriage certificate is essential:

1911 England Census Richard Bowen
Age in 1911: 40 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male
Birth Place: Princes End, South Staffordshire
Civil Parish: Trentham County/Island: Staffordshire Country: England
Street address: 6 Church Lane, Hanford, Stoke On Trent
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Colliery Banksman surface
Registration district: Stone Registration District Number: 358 Sub-registration district: Stone
ED, institution, or vessel: 11 Household schedule number: 133 Piece: 16376
Richard Bowen 40
Sarah Ann Bowen 38
Hilda Bowen 16
Clarice Bowen 12
Harold Bowen 9
William Bowen 4
Kenneth Bowen 1
Source Citation: Class: RG14; Piece: 16376; Schedule Number: 133.

Marriages Sep 1894
Baker Sarah Ann Stone 6b 53
Bowen Richard Stone 6b 53

There's this one which is possible?

Marriages Sep 1911 (>99%)
BAKER Sarah Stourbridge 6c 200
Bowen Walter Stourbridge 6c 200

Looking at the marriages for Bowen to Baker there isn't one for a Sidney.

Marriage of parents possibly before 1911:

Births Sep 1912
Bowen Millicent E Baker Stone 6b 45
Births Dec 1914
BOWEN Eric Baker Stone 6b 48
Births Mar 1918
Bowen Katherine Baker Stone 6b 36

?
England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007
Katherine Hackley
Birth Date: 18 Dec 1917
Date of Registration: Nov 1998
Age at Death: 80
Registration district: Stoke On Trent Inferred County: Staffordshire
Register Number: E64F District and Subdistrict: 7371E Entry Number: 260

Her father could have been more than 50 when she was born if you know nothing else about the family.

That is why the marriage certificate and birth certificate is useful.

She was born about 14/18 or so we believe, so her father 20 years before aprox. We believe the Bowens originally came from Wales. Son in law estranged from his family so cannot ask any one. Elaine

I think you'll need the marriage cert to see if Sidney is the right name and if he had a middle initial, there are quite a few Sidney Bowens on the 1911.

My son in laws family trying to work backwards she was his grandmother.

Date of marriage 1938 to George Hackley in Stoke on Trent Father poss Sidney Bowen.

Are you trying to work back or forward from her ~flying doctor~ ?

How did you get back to her - what is your connection?

Thank-you

This one maybe?

Births Mar 1918 (>99%)
Bowen Katherine Baker Stone 6b 36

Any helpful advice gratefully received. Born about 1914 ish