Genealogy Chat

I am off to B'ham on Friday, haven't been to the new archives yet so might get in a mess, but if you need a lookup let me know. and I'll do my best!
Jan

That is a very generous offer. You don't seem to be swamped with requests, so if you have time after doing all your own research, I would be very grateful if you could find the baptism of my great, great grandmother.

She was Caroline Palmer, born in either Kings Heath or Kings Norton (depending which census you look at!) in 1829/30. She was 31, 41 and 51 on censuses from 1861 on.

That is all I know about her before her marriage in 1856 to Daniel Hyde and would very much like to find the names of her parents.

I think Kings Heath/Norton are next to each other, so hopefully it won't be too difficult.

Thank you very much. :-) :-)

Hi Andysmum.

I see from the marriage that the father was just W. Palmer - what can I say!

I am not sure how easy a search would be without a church, or even a father's name. However! I am going to tentatively suggest this one

Birmingham, England, Baptisms, 1813-1912 about Caroline Palmer
Name: Caroline Palmer
Baptism Date: 16 May 1830
Baptism Place: Moseley, St Mary, Worcestershire, England
Father: William Palmer
Mother: Hannah Palmer
Reference Number: EP 77/2/2/1
Archive Roll: Reel 4

William above is a labourer. But there is this birth to possibly the same couple - in 1851 William is a labourer, but in 1861 he is a gardener, as the father on Caroline's marriage cert, and they are from Kings Heath.

Name: Thomas William Palmer
Birth Date: 24 Feb 1835
Baptism Date: 1 Nov 1835
Baptism Place: Moseley, St Mary, Worcestershire, England
Father: William Palmer
Mother: Hannah Palmer
Reference Number: EP 77/2/2/1
Archive Roll: Reel 4


1851 England Census
Name: Thomas Palmer
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William Palmer
Mother's name: Hannah Palmer
Gender: Male
Where born: Kings Norton, Worcestershire, England
Civil Parish: Kings Norton
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
View related Ecclesiastical Parish
County/Island: Worcestershire

Registration district: Kings Norton
Sub-registration district: Kings Norton
ED, institution, or vessel: 2d

William Palmer 56
Hannah Palmer 52
Thomas Palmer 16
John Palmer 8


1861 England Census
Name: Thomas W Palmer
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: 1836
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William Palmer
Mother's name: Hannah Palmer
Gender: Male
Where born: Kingsheath, Worcestershire, England
Civil Parish: Kings Norton
Ecclesiastical parish: Moseley
County/Island: Worcestershire
Country: England

Registration district: Kings Norton
Sub-registration district: Kings Norton

William Palmer 65
Hannah Palmer 61
Thomas W Palmer 25
George Shipton 5

Aha! This is the Hannah above. (def her as she was born Alvechurch).
Now, just bear with me. She is with daughter Ann and Ann's husband Isaac. If you check their marriage, although no fathers are named, Isaac happens to be a gardener. More significantly, one of the witnesses is Caroline Palmer.


1871 England Census
Name: Hannah Palmer
Age: 71
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1800
Relation: Wife's Mother (Mother-in-law)
Gender: Female
Where born: Aluchurch
Civil Parish: Kings Norton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
County/Island: Worcestershire
Country: England
Registration district: Kings Norton
Sub-registration district: Kings Norton

Isaac Shipton 48
Ann Shipton 47
Caroline A Shipton 18
George Shipton 15
Charles Shipton 15
Elen Shipton 14
Florence Shipton 6
William Shipton 3
Hannah Palmer 71
Joseph Fowler 20


irmingham, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1937 about Isaac Shipton
Name: Isaac Shipton
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 27 Feb 1851
Marriage Age: Full
Marriage Place: Edgbaston, St Bartholomew, Warwickshire, England
Spouse: Ann Palmer
Spouse Gender: Female
Spouse Marriage Age: Full
Reference Number: DRO 53
Archive Roll: M145

It's definitely right. Now I know the name, I can see that one of the witnesses to Caroline's marriage is Isaac Shipton.

This is Ann's baptism.

Name: Ann Palmer
Baptism Date: 21 Mar 1824
Baptism Place: Moseley, St Mary, Worcestershire, England
Father: William Palmer
Mother: Hannah Palmer
Reference Number: EP 77/2/2/1
Archive Roll: Reel 4

Jan

Thank you very much - all that info before you even go to the archives! :-) :-)

I hope you find what you're looking for tomorrow and have a successful day.

Thanks!