Genealogy Chat

I would advise that you hang fire with the printing until you have 100% accuracy

At the moment, you have allocated the wrong parents to the man who was married to Caroline

(the 'connection?)

http://www.genesreunited.com.au/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1244355?d=asc&page=1

(from above, the below)

July 26th 1902
Arthurs second marriage took place at Cooksmill Green Chapel, Roxwell and was to Thirza Goward a 19r old spinster whose father, Samuel Ezekiel Goward was listed as a Gardener. Arthur was listed as a widower and an Agricultural Labourer whilst his father was listed as (Deceased) Cattle Farmer. Ellan Parrish and Mary Ann Goward (nee Horsenell) were the witnesses.
Regards, Ron

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1891 (Find My Past)
Samuel Gaward Head Married Male 52 1839 Agricultural Labourer Roxwell, Essex, England
Mary A Gaward Wife Married Female 40 1851 - Roxwell, Essex, England
Pricilla Gaward Daughter Single Female 15 1876 Scholar Roxwell, Essex, England
Thirza Gaward Daughter - Female 7 1884 Scholar Roxwell, Essex, England
Parish Roxwell
County Essex
Registration district Chelmsford
Archive reference RG12
Piece number 1387
Folio 63
Page 5


Marriages Sep 1872 (>99%)
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GOWARD Samuel Ezekiel Chelmsford 4a 286
Horsnell Mary Ann Chelmsford 4a 286


Births Sep 1883 (>99%)
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GOWARD Thirza Chelmsford 4a 333


Marriages Sep 1902 (>99%)
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Goward Thirza Chelmsford 4a 1038
Martin Arthur Cecil Chelmsford 4a 1038

Chris :)


Births Jun 1838 (>99%)
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Garwood Samuel Ezekiel Chelmsford 12 55

(above posted earlier, do you have Cert.?)

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Cooks Mill Green Road, Roxwell, Chelmsford, Essex, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
James Goward Head Married Male 60 1801 Agricultural Labourer Roxwell, Essex, England Transcription
Caroline Goward Wife Married Female 52 1809 - Margaretting, Essex, England Transcription
James Goward Son Unmarried Male 25 1836 Agricultural Labourer Roxwell, Essex, England Transcription
Ezekiel Goward Son Unmarried Male 22 1839 Shoe Maker Roxwell, Essex, England Transcription
Louisa Clayden Visitor Daughter Married Female 22 1839 - Roxwell, Essex, England Transcription
Mary Ann Clayden Granddaughter - Female 2 1859 - Essex, England Transcription
Mary Ann Camp Granddaughter - Female 13 1848 - Billericay, Essex, England Transcription

I'm sure you understand that before the GRO came into being, there were no birth records - only baptisms.

If one is very lucky, the DOB is recorded, but it's the exception when that happens, so you have to accept that actual DOB's are hardly ever available, and make do with the baptism info, and, in the case of James and Caroline, age at death.

In my use of the Essex RO I have found that on average birth dates are given in parish baptism registers in just under 10% of cases. Usually that is when the person is baptised a long time after the birth but some incumbents recorded it as a matter of routine.

If possible it is worth checking the image of the baptism record as it may not be recorded in the on-line transcriptions available.

Something to bear in mind is that the estimated birth year given in a transcriptions of a census entry (excluding the 1841 census) is likely to be one year out.

That is because the estimate is given by subttracting the age from the census year, but that is only correct for those whose birthday falls before the census date. As the census is taken at the end of March/beginning of April the estimate will be one year later than the actual birth year for about three people out of four.

(below PM received, have asked Ron to reply back on 'Thread', when he is ready!)

Chris :)

Thanks for the information you kindly supplied, however, its gonna take a while for me to plow through everything you and some others have supplied.
Didn't really think I'd get such a quick and informative response.
Once again, many thanks.
Ron

If you key in Ezekiel Goward b 1839 (give or take 2yrs) the names that come up are Ezekiel Goward in 1841, 1851, and 1861,but it also shows Samuel E in 1881 and Samuel Ezekiel in 1911. My question is, why did they appear to change after 1861? Could it be that his parents baptized him with both names but preferred Ezekiel BUT when he married, he quoted both his names. On the other hand, are these two different people? But where are the 1891 and 1901 census reports?

And before I forget, thanks everyone for your help so far.

Ron

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Ron

You haven't yet commented on the fact that you have chosen the wrong parents, and that James was not born c1806, but was born c1801

Also, when looking for info about Ezekiel, you appear to have totally overlooked the birth registration posted by Chris, and the question about whether or not you have a copy of the cert

You wrote.......

If you key in Ezekiel Goward b 1839...........................

Where are you performing this action?

GOWARD SAMUEL E 1839 1916 1916 Deaths & burials Chelmsford, Essex, England

First name(s) SAMUEL EZEKIEL
Last name GOWARD
Marriage quarter 3
Marriage year 1872
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ SAMUEL EZEKIEL GOWARD married
MARY ANN HORSNELL
Spouse's last name -
District CHELMSFORD
District number -
County Essex
Country England
Volume 4A
Page 286

A copy of the cert will show you his father's details

In the Parish record for Roxwell the only baptisms around that time are:

25 May 1834 James son of James & Caroline Goward labourer of Roxwell.
20 March 1836 Samuel son of Thomas & Roseanne Goward labourer of Roxwell
24 June 1838 Thomas son of Thomas & Roseanne Goward labourer of Roxwell
15 July 1838 Samuel Ezekiel son of James & Caroline Goward labourer of Roxwell.

Births Dec 1873 (>99%)

Goward Cecilia Chelmsford 4a 212

First name(s) CECILIA
Last name GOWARD
Marriage quarter 3
Marriage year 1890
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ CECILIA GOWARD married
WILLIAM KNIGHT
Spouse's last name -
District CHELMSFORD
District number -
County Essex
Country England
Volume 4A
Page 543


Births Mar 1876 (>99%)
Goward P_ainsah Chelmsford 4a 251 Scan available - click to view
GOWARD Peninnah Chelmsford 4a 251 Scan available - click to view

Married James Little in 1894


Births Sep 1883 (>99%)
GOWARD Thirza Chelmsford 4a 333

Following through on the children has proved effective..................always wise to vary your search criteria


1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Brickclays, Roxwell, Chelmsford, Essex, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Samuel Gaward Head Married Male 52 1839 Agricultural Labourer Roxwell, Essex, England Transcription
Mary A Gaward Wife Married Female 40 1851 - Roxwell, Essex, England Transcription
Pricilla Gaward Daughter Single Female 15 1876 Scholar Roxwell, Essex, England Transcription
Thirza Gaward Daughter - Female 7 1884 Scholar Roxwell, Essex, England Transcription


1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Brickalays, 3, Roxwell, Chelmsford, Essex, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Samuel Ganard Head Married Male 62 1839 Gardiner (Jobbing) Roxwell, Essex, England Transcription
Mary Ann Ganard Wife Married Female 55 1846 - Roxwell, Essex, England Transcription
Thereza Ganard Daughter Single Female 17 1884 - Roxwell, Essex, England Transcription
Martin Perkins Lodger Single Male 21 1880 Labourer Essex, England

It looks to me like the James baptised at Shellow Bowells in 1801, was the one who married Caroline Oddy at Willingale Doe in 1825.

I think the second witness for the marriage is Pavitt as that is a common surname around there at that time. It does look like Revitt though.


For those unfamiliar with the area this report, by the Parloc program, shows nearby parishes.

Parish Locator Report
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The following list of Parishes are within a
4 Mile Radius of Roxwell.

Parish Name Type,County,Country,OsRef Distance & Direction
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Broomfield P ESS ENG TL7010 3.9 East by North East
Chelmsford P ESS ENG TL7006 3.9 East by South East
Chignall Smealy P ESS ENG TL6611 2.2 North by North East
Chignall St James P ESS ENG TL6709 2.0 East by North East
Good Easter P ESS ENG TL6212 2.8 North by North West
High Easter P ESS ENG TL6214 3.9 North by North West
Mashbury P ESS ENG TL6511 2.0 North by North East
Pleshey P ESS ENG TL6614 3.9 North by North East
Roding Beauchamp P ESS ENG TL5809 3.8 West
Roding Berners (Berners Roding) P ESS ENG TL6009 2.6 West by North West
Roding Margaret P ESS ENG TL6011 3.1 North West
Roxwell P ESS ENG TL6408 0.0
Shellow Bowells P ESS ENG TL6007 2.6 West by South West
Widford P ESS ENG TL6905 3.6 East by South East
Willingale Doe P ESS ENG TL5907 3.2 West by South West
Willingale Spain P ESS ENG TL6005 3.1 South West
Writtle P ESS ENG TL6706 2.2 East by South East