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I am back on the case to make headway with my Banner family but am stuck at James Banner born/baptised in 1776? in Breadsall? (though I do not know where I got that information). James and Christian were married in Breadsall on 24/5/1804. Their children are John (1804-1861), Sarah (1816) and Joseph (1820) - I have not found any others but the gap between 1804 and 1816 is quite big.
I have tried to find death records for James Banner and Christian(a) Banner prior to 1840 because I have not found them in any censuses but have failed with this.
If anyone can shed any light on this I would be really grateful.

Do you have the marriage cert to see if his father is noted as deceased

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1851 census
NAME: John Banner
AGE: 46
ESTIMATED BIRTH YEAR: abt 1805
RELATION: Head
SPOUSE'S NAME: Charlotte Banner
GENDER: Male
WHERE BORN: Breadsall, Derbyshire, England
CIVIL PARISH: Wollaton
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COUNTY/ISLAND: Nottinghamshire
COUNTRY: England
STREET ADDRESS:

OCCUPATION:

CONDITION AS TO MARRIAGE:

DISABILITY:

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REGISTRATION DISTRICT: Basford
SUB-REGISTRATION DISTRICT: Basford
ED, INSTITUTION, OR VESSEL: 2
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HOUSEHOLD SCHEDULE NUMBER: 54
PIECE: 2127
FOLIO: 105
PAGE NUMBER: 14
HOUSEHOLD MEMBERS:
NAME AGE
John Banner 46
Charlotte Banner 37
Mary Banner 11
Thomas Banner 9
Sarah Ann Banner 5
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Class: HO107; Piece: 2127; Folio: 105; Page: 14; GSU roll: 87757

Ahh Bonnington is her surname. I read it as from Bonnington Derbyshire :-D

Name: James Banner
Spouse's Name: Christian Bonnington
Event Date: 24 May 1804
Event Place: Breadsall,Derby,England
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M04839-2 , System Origin: England-ODM , GS Film number: 496703

John is married by the 1841 census
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NAME: John Banner
AGE: 35
ESTIMATED BIRTH YEAR: abt 1806
GENDER: Male
CIVIL PARISH: Wollaton
HUNDRED: Broxtow (South Division)
COUNTY/ISLAND: Nottinghamshire
COUNTRY: England
STREET ADDRESS:

OCCUPATION:

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REGISTRATION DISTRICT: Basford
SUB-REGISTRATION DISTRICT: Basford
NEIGHBORS: View others on page
PIECE: 861
BOOK: 15
FOLIO: 7
PAGE NUMBER: 10
HOUSEHOLD MEMBERS:
NAME AGE
John Banner 35
Charlotte Banner 25
Mary Banner 1
Henncetter Lyon 2 Mo

I can only see the baptism of John, maybe I'm missing something!
Is it certain that Christian is also the mother of Sarah and Joseph?

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Marriages Dec 1839
BANNER John Bromsgrove 18 310
DUFFILL James Bromsgrove 18 310
FIELD William Bromsgrove 18 310
HILL Elizabeth Bromsgrove 18 310
KING Dinah Bromsgrove 18 310
LEATHAM Charlotte Bromsgrove 18 310
RICHARDS Mary Bromsgrove 18 310
WILTSHIRE George Bromsgrove 18 310

I have found John Banner on both the 1851 (born Breadsall) and 1861 (born Greasley) censuses. I have found his baptism as 1804 in Breadsall which is where his mother Christian Bonnington & her family were from. There are a lot of Banners around that time in Greasley so I speculate that John was born in Greasley and baptised in Breadsall (also where his parents were married).
So I have tried to trace James using Greasley and widening to Notts and Derbyshire. There is a James baptised 1781 in Hucknall Tockard but don't know if that makes sense. This James aged 70 is married to Ann (aged 52) in the 1851 census and living in the same household a son James aged 39 and a daughter Catherine Banner aged 10 so it looks like Ann is a 2nd wife to this Hucknall Tockard James. This does not mean that HT James is my James. So I am wondering if Christian died prior to 1840 and my James did go on to marry Ann. :-S

for our info, 1851

Name: James Banner
Age: 70
Estimated birth year: abt 1781
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ann Banner
Gender: Male
Where born: Hucknall Torkard, Nottinghamshire, England
Civil Parish: Wollaton
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Registration district: Basford
James Banner 70
Ann Banner 52
James Banner 39
Catherine Banner 10

I wonder whether this might be the second marriage

Marriages Dec 1838
BANNER James Basford 15 925
BRADSHAW Ann Basford 15 925

certificate could have useful info if so


the household in the same place in 1841

James Banner 59
Ann Banner 44
Catherine Banner 11 Mo
James Ames 19


Births Jun 1839
Banner Catherine Basford 15 458

would be more than 11 months by 1841 census

Deaths Mar 1840 ?
Banner Catherine Basford 15 363

the only Banner birth to match the age:

Births Jun 1840
Banner Elizabeth Basford 15 444

was just thinking that the birth cert would confirm the mother's name

There is a clue in wording of the post

Some background info.............

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1336992