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Oh thank you, Jean. Is it possible to access the will online?

The Parish record states that John Julian baptised 10/02/1811 in Manaccan was the son of Susannah Roberts surname Julian, I can't find a record of a marriage for her parents so assume Thomas Dotson & Mary Julian never did, I believe Thomas Dotson was born about 1760 he was buried 25/08/1821,St Martin in meneage there is also a will dated 1822 for a Thomas Dotson St Martin in Meneage, don't know what is in it though

Yes it is intriguing Jean. I have been told that the Searle name may have come from Mary Ann Lanyon's Mother. I have no proof but a couple of places say her parents were William Lanyon and Margaret Searle.

I now know that John Roberts Julian ( born abt 1811) was the illegitimate son of Susanna Roberts Dotson. Her parents were Mary Julian and Thomas Dotson (Dobson) I cannot find any reference to a marriage for them. The child John was baptised at St Anthonys at Meneage as John Roberts Julian.

Why then he becomes Searle on the census makes no sense. He migrated to Australia a few years later as Julian!!

Frustrating but fun???

Thanks to everyone for your interest and help :-)

Still can't figure why the family were on the 1841 census as Searle not Julian

Still can't figure why the family were on the 1841 census as Searle not Julian

Thanks Jean.

Re marriage from parish registers John Julian to Mary Landyon (probably a spelling mistake) 01 October 1831 St Martin in Meneage both of the Parish, both made their mark, witness John Curkeet

Hi Allison

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Jacqueline posted that 1841 census ........ and I presume that she found it on FindMyPast



However, you should also have noted that it is unknown as to how this fits in with the Julian family ...... Jacqueline made a mistake


Re-posting the relevant posts ............


1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Meneage Street, Wendron, Helston, Cornwall, England

First name(s) Last name Gender Age Birth year Birth place
John Searle Male 30 1811 Cornwall, England Transcription Occupation SAWYER
Mary Searle Female 30 1811 Cornwall, England Transcription
John Searle Male 9 1832 Cornwall, England Transcription
Edward Searle Male 6 1835 Cornwall, England Transcription
Mary Searle Female 3 1838 Cornwall, England


Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 19 Feb 2015 12:46

just a bit of a puzzle ????

how did the name change from Julian to Searle as cant see the connection



Carol Report 19 Feb 2015 20:29

Hi Shirley,
I think Jacqueline saw Searle as a surname ie John Thomas Searle Julian.



Jacqueline Report 19 Feb 2015 22:19

You're absolutely correct, Carol.....and I can't think of a plausible excuse!

Kicking myself now..............



Carol Report 20 Feb 2015 03:43

Hi Jacqueline,

Still may come in handy as I don't know how the Searle comes into John's christian names. Sometimes good to look outside the box.

Hi Carol :-)

Just to introduce myself, I am the 4 x Great Grand Daughter of John Julian and Mary Ann Lanyon. I googled their names and came across this website, so I thought I would check it out. I have tried all the Census information on Ancestry.com.au to no luck and also Cornwall OPC person searches.

I was wondering what site the following nformation came from? I cannot seem to find it anywhere, if anyone can point me in the right direction that would be great.

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Meneage Street, Wendron, Helston, Cornwall, England

First name(s) Last name Gender Age Birth year Birth place
John Searle Male 30 1811 Cornwall, England Transcription Occupation SAWYER
Mary Searle Female 30 1811 Cornwall, England Transcription
John Searle Male 9 1832 Cornwall, England Transcription
Edward Searle Male 6 1835 Cornwall, England Transcription
Mary Searle Female 3 1838 Cornwall, England

I cannot find any birth records for John, Edward or Mary junior. The only record I do have is a copy of John Julian's death certificate which under the parents name says ''unknown''. He sadly died in a Lunatic Asylum at age 86 in Ararat, Victoria, Australia.

I would just love to know what street they lived in.

Any pointers would be greatly appreciated.

Kind Regards
Allison Dougherty ''nee Julian'' :-D

Thanks KenSE.

If you search the baptisma in the Cornish OPC database
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/baptisms/
there is a John Roberts Julian baptised in Manaccan (a Meneage parish) in 1811.
His mother being Susanna Julian, who was probably the one baptised Susanna Roberts Julian Dotson at St Martin in Meneage in 1789.

Thank you Graham. This info may somehow fit into the puzzle. Also thank you MarieCeleste and Alviegal for your info on Susan Jane. How very sad.

Now somehow I just have to get to the next generation. Oh what fun!!

Thank you everyone.

Here is Susan's death. She died of hydrocephalus.


Deaths at sea, 1781-1968 Transcription
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First name(s) Susan J
Last name Julien
Gender Female
Birth year 1842
Birth date 1842
Death year 1848
Death date 1848
Age 6
Vessel name Trafalgar
Departure port -
Departure date 16 Oct 1848
Arrival date 17 Jan 1849
Series CO 386
Box 0170
Page 11

There are a few people called John Julian in the 1841 census living in Cornwall; but none of the right age or with the right wife and kids. :-S

I wonder if these people were related :-S

Name: John Julian
Age: 75
Estimated birth year: abt 1766
Gender: Male
Where born: Cornwall, England
Civil Parish: Mawgen in Meneage
Hundred: Kerrier
County/Island: Cornwall
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

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Registration district: Helston
Sub-registration district: Helston
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 138
Book: 7
Folio: 29
Page Number: 5
Household Members:
Name Age
John Julian 75
Margery Julian 55

(from Ancestry)

There's no image related to this to verify if Susan Jane did die on ship:

South Australia, passenger lists 1847-1886
First name(s) Susan J
Last name Julian
Age 6
Birth year 1843
Ship name Trafalgar
Departure year 1848
Departure date 10 Oct 1848
Departure port Plymouth
Arrival year 1849
Arrival date 17 Jan 1849
Arrival port Adelaide
State South Australia
Country Australia

Would she be recorded as an arrival if she was deceased?

Hi Jacqueline,

Still may come in handy as I don't know how the Searle comes into John's christian names. Sometimes good to look outside the box.

You're absolutely correct, Carol.....and I can't think of a plausible excuse!

Kicking myself now..............

Hi Shirley,
I think Jacqueline saw Searle as a surname ie John Thomas Searle Julian.

I did see a note on one Public Family Tree that Susan Jane died "on board ship" 1849