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nothing specific to add to help at the moment

just wanted to say the story about Cornwall is very credible

one side of my family is copper/tin mining in Cornwall and one of my 5xgreat grandmothers there is a Coombs :-)

spelt COUMBE on their parish marriage record

I don't see a marriage of a John COUM*/COOM*/COMB* to an Eliz at around the right time at the OPC site though

http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/marriages/

and there are far too many baptisms for John with variants of the name to have any idea whether your John may have been born there

Related thread about Greens and Coneys
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/genealogy_chat/thread/1352608?jump=1352608

Hi now looking for Sarah's parents. or Sarah's birth... found one in Cogges/which is same area as Southliegh in oxfordshire..any more info would be greatfully recieved thank you in advance :-)

I cannot see any other entries relating to John & Elizabeth Coombes at Ducklington/Southleigh or Stanton Harcourt
Southleigh have the following {Conny/Coney etc}


Marriage-21 February 1791
Thomas CONNEY
Sarah GREEN
Wit=John Spier/Elias Walker

A William & Elizabeth Green ere baptising babies in the 1760s but could not see a Sarah !

Thomas and Sarah baptised several children in addition to Jane

15 Jun 1794-Elizabeth
05 Feb 1797-Mary
26 May 1799-Mary Ann
29 Feb 1802-Ann
26 Feb 1806-Joice
05 Jun 1808Alice

Buriels
17 Jul 1798-Mary 18 months
05 Feb 1804-Mary Ann 4 yrs
17 Jun 1897-Joice 1 & 1/2 yrs
10 Jun 1808-Alice 2 weeks
15 Apr 1845-Sarah 82
26 May 146-Thomas 87


The earliest Conney baptism at Southleigh is in 1784 for Hannah d Thomas & Ann

There is a buriel for an Ann Coney in 1785 age 28 so it looks as if Thomas may have been a widower when he married Sarah

Hi Christine

I will have a look and see what I can find :-)

Hi & thank you so much......would now like to know about Janes parents ...parents ....Janes mum /Dad Thomas & Sarah Coney..Think they were from Southliegh Oxon.
Her Husband's, parents, John & Elizebeth Cooms both sets circa 1760's ,Think they were from Ducklington ..Oxon ..However family history always stated that family came from cornwall Tin/Copper mines..this is what I would really like to find out
many thanks
Chrissy

Hi Elizebeth K
Have all info about Alfred /Ellen plus certificates.etc its earlier info that is really interesting thankyou...getting there many thanks for all help
Christine

Hi Christine

Found this on the Ducklington Oxfordshire transcripts-is it your Alfred ?

Marriage-10 October 1868
Alfred COOMBS fa bach of Hardwick lab s John
Ellen CARPENTER under age sp of Hardwick d John
Wit#Thomas ? {looks like Hawtin}/Sarah Coombs

There are also baptisms for his children if you would like them :-)

There is not a baptism at Stanton Harcourt for a John Coombs but there is this one at Duckington
18 July 1790-John Cooms s John & Elizabeth of Hardwick

This does not tally with his age at buriel but they may have been unsure

Have re read the posts and think this may be right ?

{Various spelling of Coombes}

From the transcriptions of the South Leigh Oxfordshire P/Rs
Marriage-14 March 1820
John COOMS Stanton Harcourt bach
Jane CONEY sp otp
Wit=William Cooms/Sophia Coxeter

Bapt
12 Dec 1791-Jane Conney d Thomas & Sarah-born 22 Nov

13 Aug 1820-William Coombs s John & Jane

From the Stanton Harcourt Oxfordshire transcriptions

Bpt
21 April 1822-Mary Ann d John & Jane Coombes
30 May 1824-Thomas s
26 Mar 1826-John s

Buriels
22 Dec 1827-John Coombes 31
02 May 1835-John Coombes 9
16 Mar 1861-Jane Coombes 69
14 Nov 1868-William Coombes 48
24 Sept 1904-Thomas Coombes 77 Union Workhouse
19 July 1905-Mary Ann Coombes 80 Union Workhouse

Marianne is a version of Mary Ann(e), and vice versa


Remember our ancestors were usually illiterate, and did not know how others might spell their name(s) nor could they check, and the vicar who made the entry in the Parish Register probably used the spelling that he knew for the name "Mary Ann"



so this is what I suggested was the case, that Sarah and Alfred were the illegitimate children of Mary Ann.

The chances of finding the name of the father(s) are pretty slim .............. unless there is a family bible with the name written in it, or a letter. Sometimes, the vicar would make a note beside a baptism entry as to the putative father, but you would have to see the original Register to see if that was the case.

Occasionally you will find a Bastardy Order or Bond, where the putative father has been ordered to support mother and / or child(ren)


It is unlikely that the father's name will be on the Birth Certificate ............ he had to either be there or provide a letter stating that he was the father, when it was a case of not being married to the mother.

It says Marianne because, presumably, Jane's daughter Mary Anne was the mother of Sarah and Alfred.

They're listed as Jane's grandchildren in the 1851 census posted earlier by Sylvia.

"d" means "daughter of", "s" means "son of".

And Coombes was the surname of the child.

Wonderful news ....all info gratefully recieved ... It is my Alfred
thank you
p.s.

Still would love to know Janes maiden name... still tried to get Alfreds birth certifcate but had dates wrong .will try again thanks.
why does it say
coombes d marianne with sarah and Alfreds Baptisms
thank you for all you efforts.
regards Chrissy

There is also this marriage

15 April 1871 {Stanton Harcourt}
Thomas HARRIS fa bach lab otp s John lab
Sarah COOMBS fa sp servant otp d John lab
Wit=Richard Calcutt/Mary Fitchett

I have the transcribed Stanton Harcourt P/Rs on fiche

Baptisms
20 July 1845-Sarah Coombes d Marianne illigi servant born 1st June
09 May 1847-Alfred Coombes s Marianne illigit servant born Feb 14

No father's name

I cannot find a baptism for either Alfred or Sarah .........


.......... you need to buy his birth certificate to be sure.

A Public Family Tree on ancestry hints at Sarah and Alfred being mary Ann's children, with the father named as John Trinder ............... but there is NO proof given for this!




Sarah Coombes apparently married Thomas Harris, June quart 1871.

The best way to find out is, of course, to buy the birth certificate ........ which costs £9.25 including postage (worldwide)


from www.freebmd.org.uk

One of these 2 should be the birth registration of Sarah, Witney is the Registration District that includes Stanton Harcourt ..........


Births Jun 1845 (>99%)

COOMBS Sarah Witney 16 13


Births Sep 1845 (>99%)

Coombs Sarah Witney 16 112



and Alfred's ........

Births Mar 1847 (>99%)

COOMBS Alfred Witney 16 140



my actual gut feeling is that both Sarah and Alfred are Mary Ann's illegitimate children.


Both William and Thomas say they are Unmarried ....... if they had been married and these were their children, it would say Wid


It is usual for the child of a daughter to be raised in her parents household, not in the household of the father's parents.

Is this the Alfred you're talking about??

1851 Census

Name: Jane Combs
Age: 60
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1791
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Southleigh, Oxfordshire, England
Civil Parish: Stanton Harcourt
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
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County/Island: Oxfordshire
Country: England

Registration district: Witney
Sub-registration district: Ensham
ED, institution, or vessel: 5b

Household schedule number: 24
Piece: 1731
Folio: 169
Page Number: 6

Jane Combs 60 Widow, Pauper, formerly Nurse
William Combs 30 b.ca 1821, Southleigh, Oxfordshire, Son, Ag Lab
Mary Ann Combs 28 b.ca 1823, Stanton Harcourt, Daughter, Ag Lab
Thomas Combs 26 b.ca 1825, Stanton Harcourt, Son, Ag Lab
Sarah Combs 5 b.ca 1846, Stanton Harcourt, Granddaughter, Scholar
Alfred Combs 4 b.ca 1847, Stanton Harcourt, Grandson

Hi
Thankyou for your response.have info from 1851 census.... now 1841 census.. trying to find out who was Alfreds father/mother as not clear if it was william coombs 1821.
what his Mothers maiden name was... he lived with his grandmother Jane Coombs
thank you very much
Regards Chrissy

Her children Thomas and Mary Ann never married - both single in 1901:

Mary A Coombs
in the 1901 England Census


Name: Mary A Coombs
Age: 77
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1824
Relation to Head: Sister
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Stanton Harcourt, Oxfordshire, England
Civil Parish: Stanton Harcourt
Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael
Town: Sutton
County/Island: Oxfordshire
Country: England
Street address:
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Registration district: Witney
Sub-registration district: Eynsham
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1393
Folio: 106
Page Number: 6
Household schedule number: 39
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Coombs 74
Mary A Coombs 77