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Help needed to find marriage records for:

Patrick Clarke born Ireland abt 1811
Margaret Clarke (nee Bassan) born 1831, Whitehaven, Cumberland
showing up on Liverpool census for 1861,1871,1881 (no records for 1891)
Children:
James 1848
George 1852
Joseph 1858
Ann 1859

Are you looking for the marriage record of Patrick and Margaret and/or the marriages of the children - finding your post little unclear??

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
1 Court, 1, Clements Street, Liverpool, Lancashire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Patrick Clark Head Married Male 50 1811 Ship Keeper Ireland
Margaret Clark Wife Married Female 31 1830 - Whitchurch <<<<<<<<<<<<<<
James Clark Son - Male 13 1848 Scholar Liverpool, Lancashire, England
George Clark Son - Male 9 1852 Scholar Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Ann Clark Daughter - Female 2 1859 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Joseph Clark Son - Male 3 1858 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Philip Clark Brother Widower Male 36 1825 Dock Labourer Ireland
Philip Clark Son - Male 7 1854 Scholar Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Michael Clark Son Unmarried Male 20 1841 Labourer Liverpool, Lancashire, England
James Bassan Brother In Law Unmarried Male 21 1840 Boatman Liverpool, Lancashire,


<<<<<<<<<<Whitehaven, Cumberland on original

Name: George Clarke
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1871
Gender: Male
Age: 19
Relationship to Head of Household: Son
Birthplace: Liverpool, Lancashire
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Liverpool
Sub-District: St Martin
Parish: Liverpool
County: Lancashire

Household Role Gender Age Birthplace
Patrick Clarke Self M 59 Liverpool, Lancashire
Margaret Clarke Wife F 42 Whitehaven, Cumberland
George Clarke Son M 19 Liverpool, Lancashire
Ellen Clarke Daughter F 12 Ireland
John Clarke Brother M 52 Ireland
Patrick Clarke Nephew M 14 Ireland
James Clarke Nephew M 12 Ireland
Philip Clarke Brother M 50 Ireland
John Clarke Nephew M 18 Liverpool, Lancashire

Thank you - Just the marriage record for Patrick and Margaret Clark(e). Think her maiden name was Bassan. .

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is it possible they married in Ireland

1841 census
Name: Margaret Bisson
Age: 12
Estimated birth year: abt 1829
Gender: Female
Civil Parish: Liverpool
Hundred: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

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Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: Dale Street
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 555
Book: 7
Folio: 25
Page Number: 4
Household Members:
Name Age
Sarah Bisson 35
Margaret Bisson 12
James Bisson 2

Both Sarah and Margaret are not born in county. James is yes born in county

1851 census she says born Ireland !

Name: Margaret Clarke
Age: 24
Estimated birth year: abt 1827
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Patrick Clarke
Gender: Female
Where born: Ireland
Civil Parish: Liverpool
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas
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County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: St Thomas
ED, institution, or vessel: 1p
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 95
Piece: 2181
Folio: 567
Page Number: 31
Household Members:
Name Age
Patrick Clarke 30
Margaret Clarke 24
James Clarke 11
Bridget McNeely 24 lodger
Mary McNeely 27 lodger

I think the age of son James in that 1851 census on the image is really 1 ½ not 11.

This is that household in Liverpool in 1861

Patrick Clark 40
Margaret Clark 35 says born Ireland
James Clark 12
Bridget Clark 8
Martin Clark 4
Mary Clark 2


and that doesn't fit the names Rosezina gave:

James 1848
George 1852
Joseph 1858
Ann 1859


so I think that's the wrong people in 1851 unfortunately


Rosezina have you identified the births of any of the children and would a birth certificate not tell you Margaret's surname for sure in that case?

Births Dec 1852 ?
Clarke George Liverpool 8b 50

Patrick is considerably older than Margaret

is it likely that this was a second marriage for him and the elder two children, for example, were from his first marriage?

or were Margaret's children before the marriage possibly


if that is Margaret with mother Sarah in 1841, and she had a brother and son named James, it makes sense that her father was James

here is the birth of a Mary Basson to parents James and Sarah in Whitehaven in 1820

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NYRB-548

very possibly the birth of the James who was 2 in the 1841 household

Births Mar 1839
Basson James Thomas Liverpool 20 341

and the death of the father

Deaths Dec 1840
BASSON James West Derby 20 745


just as possible confirmation of Margaret's surname


maybe Rosezina you can say why you believe it to be Basson :-)

Thanks for the searches, the name Basson is recorded as her maiden name on a few of the children's Catholic baptism records. On an 1861 census from Ancestry her brother James Basson is living with her and Patrick. I also found another Liverpool census for 1861 that has. A Patrick Clarke from Ireland, and William Basson a mariner, from Whitehaven,, aged 52, which could be Margaret's father, and may be Patrick was just a visitor even though the census says he was a lodger.. Both streets were in same area..

that's the right find I would say ... I did run into that William while scouring the censuses for Bassons born in Whitehaven but didn't have the wit to notice the Patrick Clarke in the household

although that Patrick Clarke was a dock labourer and your Patrick Clarke is accounted for in 1861 as a ship keeper so that seems a coincidence only ... although Patrick could have been temporarily absent and counted both places


1861

Name: William Basson
Age: 51
Estimated birth year: 1810
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Whitehaven
occupation mariner

Name: Patrick Clarke
Age: 50
Estimated birth year: 1811
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland
occupation dock labourer

Civil Parish: Liverpool
Ecclesiastical parish: St Martin
County/Island: Lancashire


1851

Name: William Basson
Age: 60 ....... I think it really says 40
Estimated birth year: abt 1791
Relation: Lodger
Where born: Sunderland; Whitehaven
Civil Parish: Liverpool
Town: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
occupation mariner


widower in both censuses

if William was at sea in 1841 he would not have been enumerated I think


possibly Sarah died in childbirth and child also died?

Births Jun 1849
BASSON Sarah Liverpool 20 274

Deaths Jun 1849
Basson Sarah Liverpool 20 186
Basson Sarah Liverpool 20 208


this is rather interesting

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NNSS-L9K

Name: Michael Clark
Spouse's Name: Mary Basson
Event Date: 07 Mar 1865
Event Place: Liverpool, Lancaster, England
Father's Name: Patrick Clark
Spouse's Father's Name: William Basson
Marital Status: Single
Spouse's Marital Status: Single

it would be interesting to see the father's occupations on the certificate:

Marriages Mar 1865
Basson Mary Liverpool 8b 286
Clark Michael Liverpool 8b 286

this looks like it could be that Mary Basson in 1851

Name: Mary Basson
Age: 8
Estimated birth year: abt 1843
Relation: Scholar (Institutional)
Gender: Female
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Walton on the Hill
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: West Derby
ED, institution, or vessel: Industrial Schools belonging to the Parish of Liverpool

this is that couple in 1871

Michael Clark 32 born Ireland hay ricker
Mary Clark 30 born Liverpool
Eliza Clark 4
Maria Clark 1

wondering whether she could be a child of William and Sarah whom William could not care for when Sarah died

Births Sep 1841
Basson Mary Liverpool 20 276

and could Michael be a son of your Patrick from a previous marriage?


yes of course, here is the 1861 census you referred to with Margaret's brother James in the household

Patrick Clark 50
Margaret Clark 31
James Clark 13
George Clark 9
Ann Clark 2
Joseph Clark 3
Philip Clark 36 widowed brother of Patrick
Phipip Clark 7 (son of Philip presumably)
Michael Clark 20 ......... son but obviously not Margaret's son
James Bassan 21


so Margaret's sister Mary Basson married Margaret's husband Patrick's son Michael Clark?

did Margaret possibly marry previously?

Marriages Dec 1858
Basson Margaret Barton 8c 506
Boardman Harriet Barton 8c 506
Johnson Benjamin Barton 8c 506
Seddon Thomas Barton 8c 506


I wondered whether this might be Margaret in 1851, I could read it as Basson

Name: Margaret Barson
Age: 23
Estimated birth year: abt 1828
Relation: Servant (Employee)
Gender: Female
Where born: Carlonel, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Bury
Town: Bury
County/Island: Lancashire

I'm afraid that 1851 entry is for Margaret Benson, born Cartmel

The image is quite clear on FMP

Thank you for all the searches, briliant work,! The Clarke puzze is slowly coming together. It looks like Patrick may have been married previously, I did wonder myself about Michael Clarke being too old to be Margaret's son. The Basson's are interesting to say the least.
I have another "Clarke", brickwall , I was up till 3am trying to locate my x4 great grand father's marriage record without success.

Philip Clarke born 1809-1811 - Ireland
Catherine Soraghan/Sorahan/Sorahon, born 1821-1823 - Ireland. (maiden name extracted from various Liverpool Catholic baptism records)

Their eldest child is probably Andrew born Ireland abt 1845, and a subsequent children were all born in Liverpool from about 1848, I can find no marriage records on FMP, Familysearch or Ancestry, or even rootsireland.ie. Not sure of the townland or county but going by name distribution lists, looks like Cavan, Meath, Louth are a possibilty.

thanks Jacqueline, the image was quite blurred on Ancestry, and I never trust heads of household's reports of their servants' places of birth :-)

Rosezina you have Clarks the way some of us have Smiths!

NO Andrew with them

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
13, Hockenhall Alley, Liverpool, Lancashire, England


First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Philip Clarke Head Married Male 39 1812 Extre Weigher H M Customs Ireland Transcription
Catherine Clarke Wife Married Female 30 1821 - Ireland Transcription
Patrick Clarke Son Unmarried Male 5 1846 - Ireland Transcription
Anne Clarke Daughter Unmarried Female 3 1848 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England Transcription
Ellen Clarke Daughter Unmarried Female 0 1851 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England Transcription
David Rowland Lodger Unmarried Male 42 1809 Marine Store Dealer Wrexham, Denbighshire, Wales Transcription
David Cowan Servant Unmarried Female 39 1812 House Servant Ireland

Many thanks, JoonieCloonie and Jacqueline.

Yes, the Clarkes keep on coming! And they have all followed the Irish custom of naming their sons after their grandparents, so all I see is a continual repition of the same names!

More details of the 1865 Clark/Basson marriage:
Name:Michael Clark
Gender:Male
Marital Status:Single
Marriage Date:7 Mar 1865
Marriage Place:Liverpool, Lancaster, England
Father: Patrick Clark
Spouse:Mary Basson
Father: William Basson

Potty I posted that info with the link to familysearch

it's what led to me figuring out who Michael Clark was (son of Margaret's husband Patrick from his previous marriage) and who Mary Basson probably was (sister of Margaret) :-)

Many thanks, I will be up all night searching new leads - the Clarkes are beginning to unfold before my eyes.