Genealogy Chat

I have found on line this series of documents Concerning Bastardy process /Vagrency passess/ Settlement examinations etc/.

There appear to be 8 stages of Bastardy procedure,
1. The mother informs on the identity of the father.

3. Bastardy Recognizance, a bond instructing the ' father 'to appear before the quarter sessions,

6. Bastardy Order- this highlights who is to pay whatever.

8. Bastardy Bond this is a promise by a bondsman to pay the parish any costs incurred by the father.

The entry I have is stage 3 for Ann Bramhall against Richard Massey, on 6 nov 1745 , both of Over Tabley, Cheshire.

I cannot find other references to these people, around this date. Any suggestions? :-S

could this be ann bramhall

Anne Bramhall
England, Cheshire Parish Registers
Name: Anne Bramhall
Event Type: Christening
Event Date: 15 Apr 1726
Event Place: , Middlewich, Cheshire, England
Gender: Female
Father's Name: Peter Bramhall
Mother's Name: Margaret

Posting this just in case it's linked. Over Tabley was in the parish of Rostherne.



Ann Bramhall
England, Cheshire Parish Registers
Name: William Widders
Event Type: Marriage
Event Date: 27 Dec 1772
Event Place: , Rostherne, Cheshire, England
Gender: Male
Spouse's Name: Ann Bramhall
GS Film number: 1941851 , Digital Folder Number: 004018692 , Image Number: 00214

Oh, dear - she didn't survive for long after marriage - whoever she was:

Ann Widders
England, Cheshire Bishop's Transcripts
Name: Ann Widders
Event Type: Burial
Event Date: 25 Oct 1777
Event Place: Rostherne, Cheshire, England
Gender: Female
Spouse's Name: William Widders
GS Film number: 1751559 , Digital Folder Number: 004011882 , Image Number: 00765

Thank you your replies.


There dosnt seem a way of estimating her dates. If at the birth of the child around 1745 she was 21+ the middle which date seems OK.
There are a few Richard Massey around but none it appears are shoemakers - which is an apprenticed trade, nothing something to drop into
.
He I suppose could be any age between 20 and 50.?

What I cannot find is the birth of the child which I would have thought would have been baptised locally in cheshire, c1745. I presume it was living at this date too.

But without the 8th stage - the issue of the bond - I can't iderntfy them??

M

Just in case - VERY long shot - maybe she later admitted the child wasn't Jacob's after all ??!! (Not likely, I know!)


Jacob Bramhal
England, Cheshire Parish Registers
Name: Jacob Bramhal
Event Type: Christening
Event Date: 07 Nov 1742
Event Place: , Rostherne, Cheshire, England
Gender: Male
Father's Name: Jacob Bramhal
Mother's Name: Ann
GS Film number: 1941850 , Digital Folder Number: 004018691 , Image Number: 00480

That's a possible I think.

Perhaps he looked different ?



But need to see the rest of the documents to see how it was settled in the court.and if any others are noted.

I don't know how long these cases took to process.