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Hi Sylviain

I will get the marriage for Thomas and Mary Ann, for confirmation of fathers name and ages then go back from there.

Marriages Mar 1881 (>99%)

BRADY Thomas Birkenhead 8a 605
CARNEY Mary Ann Birkenhead 8a 605

Hi Alviegal

Thank you for the information, Iam now confused here is what I have.

In 1871 census I have a James Karney 28 and wife Jane 25 children Mary Ann 1864 Thomas 1865. James married Jane McCabe in 1863 all this in Birkenhead.

Mary Ann Carney married in 1880 Thomas Brady.

1881 Census above

Thomas CARNEY listed as a grandson age 14 b Birkenhead possible brother of Mary Ann carney

Thomas Brady b 1851 son in law
Mary Ann Brady b 1849
Mary Ellen Brady 4 months granddaughter this baby died in 1883.

The ages of Mary Ann Brady nee Carney don't add up!!
The relationship of Mary to head is this daughter'granddaughter ?


Iam usuing Ancestry to look for the BASR but they only have BA Records 1914-1920 Where do I look for the 1760-1915 you mention

Thank you

Well done Maureen! And here he is in 1881.



1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
33, Field Street, Birkenhead, Cheshire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Patrick Branaghan Head Married Male 76 1805 - Ireland
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Mary Branaghan Wife Married Female 74 1807 - Ireland
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>>Thomas Carney Grand Son Single Male 14 1867 Dock Laborer Birkenhead, Cheshire, England
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Thos Brady Son In Law Married Male 30 1851 Dock Laborer Birkenhead, Cheshire, England
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Mary Ann Brady - Married Female 32 1849 - Birkenhead, Cheshire, England
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Mary Ellen Brady Grand Daughter Single Female 0 1881 - Birkenhead, Cheshire, England


I think this is also him.



British Army Service Records 1760-1915 Transcription
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First name(s) THOMAS
Last name CARNEY
Birth year 1865
Birth parish BIRKENHEAD
Birth town BIRKENHEAD
Birth county CHESHIRE
Birth country ENGLAND
Service number 1087
Rank -
Regiment Cheshire Regiment - 22nd Foot
Document Type Attestation
Attestation year 1884
Attestation Day 17
Attestation Month 6
Attestation age years 19
Attestation age months 2
Attestation Corps Cheshire Regiment
Attestation service number 1087
Discharge Corps Cheshire Regiment
Series WO97 chelsea pensioners british army service records 1760-1913


I can't make out his mother's name but she lived at 19 Field Street.

Hi All,

Thank you for your searches.

I have just found a 1871 census it has been transcribed as family Karney.
Head James,wife Jane
MY A Karney************* age 7 b 1864 Birkenhead
Thomas age 5 b 1866

Address 30 Frederick Street Birkenhead.

This must be the family, as Thomas is still there in 1917c. I have found the Mrs Sweeney family mentioned.

Thanks again

I have had a look at the record and it is pretty detailed with all the family, isn't it? I hope you don't mind me adding this.

His parents and siblings are all at 12 Myrtle Court, Birkenhead except brother Frank, who is in canada and a sister (not Jane, Maggie or Lizzie) who is now Mrs Sweeney and lives at 36 Wycliffe St.

Uncles and Aunts by BLOOD of the soldier are Mrs Murray, Watson Street and the aforementioned Thomas Kearney of Fredirick Street, Birkenhead.


Have you found Mrs Murray?

TheMary in this family is younger than yours, but has a brother Thomas

1881 Census

Name: Mary Kearny
Age: 11
Estimated birth year: abt 1870
Relationship to Head: Daughter
Father: Matthew Kearny
Mother: Mary Kearny
Gender: Female
Where born: Bhead, Cheshire, England
Civil Parish: Birkenhead
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Street address: 4 Walton St

Occupation: Scholar
Registration district: Birkenhead
ED, institution, or vessel: 23b

Piece: 3580
Folio: 4
Page Number: 2

Matthew Kearny 38
Mary Kearny 34
Mary Kearny 11
Alice Kearny 9
John Kearny 6
Thomas Kearny 2 <<<<<<<<<<<<
Alice Crawley 25
Joseph Ellis

You should buy the marriage certificate, that will give you her father's name, and thus help find the family.

1881 Census

Name: Mary Ann Kearney
Age: 17
Estimated birth year: abt 1864
Relationship to Head: Daughter
Father: Patrick Kearney
Mother: Catherine Kearney
Gender: Female
Where born: Birkenhead, England
Civil Parish: Birkenhead
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Street address: 1 Oak St

Occupation: Pupil Teacher
Registration district: Birkenhead
ED, institution, or vessel: 13

Piece: 3577
Folio: 73
Page Number: 56

Patrick Kearney 44
Catherine Kearney 47
William Thos. Kearney 19
Mary Ann Kearney 17
Catherine Kearney 16
John Joseph Kearney 14
Patrick Thomas Kearney 3 <<<<<< ??????????
Peter Lawrence Kearney 1
Thomas Patrick Rafferty 21
John Mc Caffery 26



I couldn't find a Mary (Ann) Carny on the earlier censuses, which made me wonder if she had either changed her name or whether it had been misspelled on the marriage registration.

Mary Ann Kearney was born 1863 Birkenhead

Hi Kath

Mary is in the 1901 census with family
Thomas Brady
Mary Brady wife born Birkenhead 1865

They are in St. Ann Parish Birkenhead Cheshire.

They married in Jan Q 1881 Birkenhead ,index shows her as Mary Ann Carney.

The death of her son Joseph in 1917 WW1 records shows the names and address of family including uncle Thomas Kearney of Frederick St Birkenhead.

I was interested to find people in 1911 census in Frederick ST.

Thank you for your reply.

Are you certain that Mary was born in Birkenhead? Do you have a birth certificate for her or if not do you have her marriage certificate for her father's name?

This is the only Mary Carney I can find with a brother called Thomas but they were born in Birmingham:-

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Court 5 House, 3, New Summer Street, Birmingham, Warwickshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place

Michael Carney Head Widower Male 48 1833 Factory Labourer Ireland
Ann Carney Daughter Single Female 19 1862 Press Worker Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Patrick Carney Son Single Male 16 1865 Metal Roller Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Mary Carney Daughter Single Female 14 1867 Press Worker Birmingham, Warwickshire, England<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Ellen Carney Daughter Single Female 12 1869 Scholar Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Thomas Carney Son Single Male 9 1872 Scholar Birmingham, Warwickshire, England<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Kath. x

Have you found Mary Carney on earlier censuses to see if she did have a brother Thomas?


It's a pretty long gap from the 1911 Census to some time between 1914-1918 .............. many people rented and tended to move around

Hi Kath

Iam afraid all I know is that his name and address appeared in WW1 record of a deceased soldier, he was listed as a uncle of the decd.

I think he may have been a brother of the mans mother, who I have as Mary Carney in the marriage index. That is why unsure of spelling of surname, Mary was born in Birkenhead in 1865 so Thomas I presume around same time.

I just wondered if I could find Thomas may lead to more clues to this family.

Thanks

When and where was he born and do you have him in the 1901 census?

Frederick Street doesn't seem to be coming up on the 1911 census.

Kath. x

Is there a way to find out who lived at an address in the 1911 census.

I am looking for a Thomas Kearney or Carney last known address was Frederick Street Birkenhead Cheshire.

Thank You