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I have a marriage between Frances Gossage and John Thornton, 17 April, 1817 Saint Martin, Birmingham, Warwickshire (Select Marr 1538 - 1973).

The record states 'Index Only' and there is a film number.

Would I be able to view this record. Would it contain the name of John Thornton's parents?

Many thanks :-)

From FMP.

First name(s) Frances
Last name Gossage
Age 21
Birth year 1796
Status S
Marriage year 1817
Marriage year as transcribed 1817
Marriage date 14 Apr 1817
Marriage place St Martin, Birmingham
County Warwickshire
Marriage Place 1 St Martin, Birmingham, Warwick
Residence parish St Martin, Birmingham
Residence county Warwick
Spouse's first name(s) John
Spouse's last name Thornton
Spouse's age 21
Spouse's birth year 1796
Spouse's status B
Spouse's occupation Publican
Spouse's residence parish Gardley
Spouse's residence county Worcester
Country England.

The image of Johns Thortons marriage Affidavit can be seen on FMP....... :-D,no parentage names for John,

Edit==== Frances father William on the bond,,,,,,and states and swears I'm sure,,,,,,,,Frances a virgin,,,,,,,,!the bond reads that if all not true the sum of £500 is the bond...... :-D

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Frances Gossage in the Birmingham, England, Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538-1812
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Name: Frances Gossage
Baptism Date: 6 Oct 1796
Baptism Place: Birmingham, St Martin, Warwickshire, England
Father: William Gossage
Mother: Dorothy Gossage
Reference Number: DRO 34/7
Archive Roll: M178

Thank you both so much.

Am needing to find the birth and parents of John Thornton to follow the line. There are many John Thorntons so trying to find that lead.

I hadn't heard of that 'bond', Kay! Thanks very much, all good stuff.. sorry to be dim, not sure what FMP is?

Thank you very much, Maddie. It is very kind of you to take the time. I hadn't seen that :-)

John Thornton
mentioned in the record of Samuel Thornton
Name John Thornton
Gender Male
Wife Frances
Son Samuel Thornton
Other information in the record of Samuel Thornton
from England Births and Christenings
Name Samuel Thornton
Gender Male
Christening Date 31 Jul 1818
Christening Place SOLIHULL,WARWICK,ENGLAND
Father's Name John Thornton
Mother's Name Frances

Name Jane Thornton
Gender Female
Christening Date 30 Jan 1827
Christening Place SOLIHULL,WARWICK,ENGLAND
Father's Name John Thornton
Mother's Name Frances


Name Hannah Thornton
Gender Female
Christening Date 14 May 1832
Christening Place SOLIHULL,WARWICK,ENGLAND
Father's Name John Thornton
Mother's Name Frances

Other information in the record of Fanny Caroline Thornton
from England Births and Christenings
Name Fanny Caroline Thornton
Gender Female
Christening Date 29 Apr 1825
Christening Place SOLIHULL,WARWICK,ENGLAND
Father's Name John Thornton
Mother's Name Frances


Name Charles Thornton
Gender Male
Christening Date 12 Dec 1823
Christening Place SOLIHULL,WARWICK,ENGLAND
Father's Name John Thornton
Mother's Name Frances

there are more births in Solihull but father was a farmer ???????

Warwickshire, England, Baptisms, 1813-1910
BIRTH, MARRIAGE & DEATH, INCLUDING PARISHView Image
NAME: Samuel Thornton
MOTHER: Francis Thornton
FATHER: John Thornton
BAPTISM: 31 Jul 1818 - Solihull
Warwickshire, England, Baptisms, 1813-1910
BIRTH, MARRIAGE & DEATH, INCLUDING PARISHView Image
NAME: John Thornton
MOTHER: Francis Thornton
FATHER: John Thornton
BAPTISM: 27 Jan 1820 - Solihull
Warwickshire, England, Baptisms, 1813-1910
BIRTH, MARRIAGE & DEATH, INCLUDING PARISHView Image
NAME: Mary Thornton
MOTHER: Francis Thornton
FATHER: John Thornton
BAPTISM: 31 Mar 1822 - Solihull
Warwickshire, England, Baptisms, 1813-1910
BIRTH, MARRIAGE & DEATH, INCLUDING PARISHView Image
NAME: Charles Thornton
MOTHER: Francis Thornton
FATHER: John Thornton
BAPTISM: 12 Dec 1823 - Solihull

a tree on ancestry has John and Frances as parents of above but no parents named for them

1851 for Charle and siblings if relevant

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Warhall Farm, Elmdon, Solihull, Warwickshire, England

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First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Charles Thornton Head Unmarried Male 27 1824 Farmer Solihull, Warwickshire, England Transcription
Jane Thornton Sister Unmarried Female 24 1827 - Solihull, Warwickshire, England Transcription
Henry Thornton Brother Unmarried Male 21 1830 - Solihull, Warwickshire, England Transcription
Hannah Thornton Sister Unmarried Female 18 1833 - Solihull, Warwickshire, England Transcription
Ellen Thornton Sister - Female 14 1837 - Elmdon, Warwickshire, England Transcription
Samuel Keen Visitor - Male 2 1849 - Coleshill, Warwickshire, England Transcription
Harriett Phipps Servant - Female 21 1830 General Servant Alveston, Warwickshire, England Transcription
Adelaide M Brown Servant - Female 16 1835 General Servant Preston Bagot, Warwickshire, England Transcription
George Sammond Servant - Male 23 1828 Agricultural Labourer Leek Wootton, Warwickshire, England Transcription
John Green Servant - Male 18 1833 Agricultural Servant Stoneleigh, Warwickshire, England Transcription
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Jane
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Name: Dr Jane Thornton
Parish: Solihull
Baptism Date: 30 Jan 1827
Father's name: John Thornton
Mother's name: Frances Thornton

1841 /???
John Thornton in the 1841 England Census
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Name: John Thornton
Age: 50
Estimated birth year: abt 1791
Gender: Male
Where born: Warwickshire, England
Civil Parish: Elmdon
Hundred: Hemlingford (Solihull Division)
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

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Registration district: Solihull
Sub-registration district: Solihull
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1129
Book: 5
Folio: 4
Page Number: 2
Household Members:
Name Age
John Thornton 50 ------ Farmer born in the county
Francis Thornton 40 ------ " " " "
Samuel Thornton 20
John Thornton 20
Mary Thornton 15
Charles Thornton 15
Frances Thornton 15
Jane Thornton 13
Henry Thornton 11
Hannah Thornton 9
Ellen Thornton 3

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John Thornton
England and Wales Census, 1841
Name John Thornton
Event Type Census
Event Date 1841
Event Place Elmdon, Warwickshire, England
Residence Note Whar Hall
Gender Male
Age 50-54
Age (Original) 50
Birth Year (Estimated) 1791-1795
Birthplace Warwickshire
Registration District Solihull
Book Number 5
Parish Elmdon
County Warwickshire
Page Number 2
Registration Number HO107
Piece/Folio 1129/4
Affiliate Record Type Household
HOUSEHOLD

ROLE

GENDER

AGE

BIRTHPLACE

John Thornton M 50-54 Warwickshire
Francis Thornton F 40-44 Warwickshire
Samuel Thornton M 20-24 Warwickshire
John Thornton M 20-24 Warwickshire
Mary Thornton F 15-19 Warwickshire
Charles Thornton M 15-19 Warwickshire
Frances Thornton F 15-19 Warwickshire
Jane Thornton F 13 Warwickshire
Henry Thornton M 11 Warwickshire
Hannah Thornton F 9 Warwickshire
Ellen Thornton F 3 Warwickshire
William Parker M 25-29 Warwickshire
Frederick Steed M 25-29
David Barnett M 16-20 Warwickshire
John Gee M 20-24 Warwickshire
Elmina Phillips F 15-19
Susan Baker F 20-24

a maybe

John Thornton in the Birmingham, England, Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538-1812
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Name: John Thornton
Baptism Date: 4 Jul 1797
Baptism Place: Birmingham, St Philip, Warwickshire, England
Father: John Thornton
Mother: Elizabeth Thornton
Reference Number: DRO 25/3

That is definitely them, thank you, Kay :-)

Lavender,
FMP....findmypast,,,,,,,,

Thank you, Kay x

Farming, Elmdon, Coleshill, Lichfield are the areas..

many thanks, Maddie. Am unable to process until later but thrilled with all the kind help :-)

Many thanks also, malyon. :-)

Very many thanks to everybody for their invaluable help.

I now have a whole line of their children that I hadn't as yet found so it's moved me on tremendously :-) :-) :-)