Genealogy Chat

Thank you, all. Please keep up this good work. All info received gratefully.

Yes, I do know about Marian. She was killed by a neighbour who was convicted and sent to prison. It was in many newspapers at the time.

I don't think the Basil born 1913 in Yorkshire is correct-

I think this is the likely death for that Basil:

Name Basil Ward
Event Type Death
Registration Quarter Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration Year 1963
Registration District Bradford
County Yorkshire
Event Place Bradford, Yorkshire, England
Age 50
Birth Year (Estimated) 1913
Volume 2B Page 62

Thank you, all. There is much to think about.

Thank you, all. I still haven't got a marriage for Olwen (or Alwyn) Mary Phillips and Basil Ward, or a birth reg for their child Marian, c1946. As Mary was in the forces, I am wondering if they married abroad?
Mary

I have had a message indicating that I should not have posted this here. How do I transfer it to the correct place? And what is the correct place?

Who sent you the message Empey? Seems appropriate to post it here.

I'm still of the feeling that they never married. If Basil married Manuela Vidal, they either divorced or Manuela died. It's unlikely Manuela died as she is listed on the electoral registers. After the war she is living alone- so it's likely that she and Basil separated.

It was not the 'done thing' to have a child out of wedlock, so it's unlikely that the fact was broadcast- far easier to let people assume a marriage had taken place.

As a birth can't be found for Marian under Ward (mother's maiden name Phillips) I also wonder if Basil was her father? As a marriage can't be found it is also possible that Olwen was also previously married.

In short, I don't see a marriage for them either.

Have you tried tracing the son, Graham?

I did not post this earlier, but Empey mentioned a son who might still be alive.

There is such a birth in Hampstead in 1949, with mmn Phillips.

This of course does not prove that Olwen/Alwyn and Basil were married, but that Alwyn registered the birth as Mrs W, and it was then (as usual) assumed that the named "husband" was the father.

Empey ....

ignore that message.

It is possible that whoever sent the message thought that this should have been posted on Find Ancestors .............. but it really makes no difference!!

Thank you all. The family thinks the son may be in America. Apparently, he married an American. But I don't think they married in this country. I have a birth reg which may be him, in 1949, the same year in which his sister was killed. I need to tread carefully around this.
I do not have a world wide account with FMP, which I use as well as GR.

Empey ...........

have you checked passenger lists (outgoing and incoming) on ancestry?

of course, he probably left more recently than those records, as ocean travel fell out of favour!