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Looking for further information on a child baptised (FSO)
19 Dec 1815, at Stoke Damerel, Devon.

Named : Mary Jane Edgcumbe Brushett (first child of couple)

Father : John Brushett , Tailor, and wife Mary ( nee Hawkins )

Subsequent children baptised at St James ,Westminster, (London) Middlesex.
in 1820,1821,1825,1830, 1831,1833.
(Fifth child also given mothers maiden name of Hawkins., so the link).

I suppose Mary Jane, could have been buried in Devon or Middlesex? and would have been 26 at first census.

any suggestions please?

She could also have married before the first census

Have you found any of the family on the census

Is this the family
John Brishett
Event Type Marriage
Event Date 1814
Event Place Devon
Spouse's Name Mary Hawkins


John Brishett
England, Devon Bishop's Transcripts
Name John Brishett
Event Type Marriage
Event Date 19 Apr 1814
Event Place Plymouth, Devon, England
Gender Male
Spouse's Name Mary Hawkings
Spouse's Gender Female



Rosina Parker Brushett
England Births and Christenings
Name Rosina Parker Brushett
Gender Female
Christening Date 25 Dec 1821
Christening Date (Original) 25 DEC 1821
Christening Place SAINT JAMES,WESTMINSTER,LONDON,ENGLAND
Birth Date 06 Dec 1821
Father's Name John Brushett
Mother's Name Mary

Sarah Hawkings Parker Brushatt
Gender Female
Christening Date 31 May 1830
Christening Date (Original) 31 MAY 1830
Christening Place SAINT JAMES,PADDINGTON,LONDON,ENGLAND
Birth Date 24 Oct 1827
Father's Name John Brushatt
Mother's Name Mary

London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
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Name James Richard Parker Brushett
Record Type Baptism
Baptism Date 13 Feb 1832
Father's Name John Brushett
Mother's Name Mary Brushett
Parish or Poor Law Union Piccadilly St James
Borough Westminster
Register Type Bishop's Transcript

Name James Richard Brushett
Gender Male
Marriage Date 20 Apr 1858
Marriage Place Melbourn,Cambridge,England
Father John Brushett
Spouse Susannah Gilbey
FHL Film Number 1040541
Household Members
Name Age
Susannah Gilbey
George Gilbey
James Richard Brushett
John Brushett


England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966, 1973-1995
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Name James Richard Brushett
Death Date 5 Nov 1894
Death Place Surrey, England
Probate Date 5 Feb 1895
Registry London, England


London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
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Name John William Parker Brushett
Record Type Baptism
Baptism Date 17 Jul 1825
Father's Name John Brushett
Mother's Name Mary Brushett
Parish or Poor Law Union Piccadilly St James
Borough Westminster
Register Type Bishop's Transcript


London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
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Name John William Brushett
Spouse Rebecca Sabberton
Record Type Marriage
Event Date 16 May 1847
Parish St Mary, Lambeth
Borough Lambeth
Father Name John Brushett
Spouse Father Joshua Sabberton
Register Type Parish Register
Household Members
Name Age
Rebecca Sabberton
John William Brushett

Yes I think there are eight children baptised at Westminster parish church. All carrying the name Parker as one of their forenames , but mother is clearly Mary Hawkins Brushett.

Not found the burial of Mary Hawkins Brushett

But second marriage of John Brushett to Ann Pyne ,and his subsequent death .

He appears to have been registered at death as John Brushett Parker.

What that means I don't know.

On second marriage clearly signs as John Brushett, tailor ,father Thomas Brushett , tailor.

Mary Jane Brushet
England and Wales Marriage Registration Index, 1837-2005
marriage:
1849
Wareham, Dorset, England
other:
George White Bower, Mary Thorn Bower, George Curtis, Mary Ann Foot, Thomas Naish, Charles Searley...

johns burial for ref
John Brushett Parker

1791
burial:
20 May 1849
St. Mary At Lambeth, Surrey County, England
residence:
46 Devonshire Str

Dorset is the centre it seems for this name. So I guess John Brushett may have been following his trade as a tailor in these army/ navy towns throughout the south coast.

Any marriage of a female has to also fit the criteria of age and father's name, since there are so many possibles.
As Mary Jane EB was only a few years old at thier move to Lambeth , I would think she went with them and either died there or as you suggested married there. They don't seem to have returned to Plymouth at any point.

I thought it would be easier to find her.

What I really need to find is the baptism of John Brushett in 1791 to a father named Thomas, (both of them tailors.) Presumably Devon Dorset or other south coast location.

Just to add, 19th February 1815 for that Stoke Damerel Baptism (image on FMP)

Chris :)

(below has Parents Thomas/Elizabeth)

Brushett Thomas 1788 Devon Baptisms Stoke Damerel, Devon, England


Edits (taken from Parish cd, below)

All Saints Melbourn, Cambs.

Marriage
1858 20 April Brushett James Richard full age bac. cheesemonger of London son of John Tailor
Gilbey Susannah sp otp dau of George Farmer wits. G K Gilbey Emily Norris


19 June 1886 - Cambridge Independent Press - Cambridge, Cambridgeshire

Death
Brushett - June 11, Meldreth, Edith Mary Brushett, of London, aged 14.


19 June 1886 - Cambridge Independent Press - Cambridge, Cambridgeshire

MELDRETH.
Fatal Railway Accident. - Mr. C. W. Palmer, county coroner, held an inquest here on Saturday, on the body of Edith Mary Brushett. the daughter of cheesemonger carrying on business 59, New Cut, Lambeth, who was killed on the railway by an express train on the previous day.

(she went with her sister to meet a friend from London at the Meldreth Station and in crossing the line did not see the express approaching, and, being a little deaf, apparently did not hear the whistle and the calls of those who warned her of her danger)

2nd marriage was in 1840, so Mary died before that ........


England Marriages 1538-1973

First name(s) John
Last name Brushett
Name note -
Marriage year 1840
Marriage date 09 Nov 1840
Marriage place Paddington
Father's first name(s) Thomas
Father's last name Brushett
Spouse's first name(s) Ann
Spouse's last name Pyne
Spouse's father's first name(s) John
Spouse's father's last name Birch
County London
Country England
Record set England Marriages 1538-1973
Category Life Events (BDMs)
Subcategory Marriages & divorces
Collections from England, United Kingdom

I wonder if the fact that he was buried under the name of John Brushett Parker means that he was in fact illegitimate??

John Brushett, Tailor, might have been his father, but he was born to a owman called xxxxx Parker.

Father John MIGHT then have married xxxxx Parker or not.

It seems odd that John Brushett lived and signed his name as one man , and is buried as another.
I wonder if there is a grave stone?

I had thought that the addition of the name Parker was that of a Patron of some sort, where he inherited money. No one every uses the name again.

Like wise where would the name Edgcumbe come from? I think there is an estate of that name, Not in the naming patterns I am familiar with..

Thanks to all who thought about it...

Searching on FreeBMD for people with Edgcumbe as a first or middle name, there are lots of them, mainly in the Devon / Cornwall area, and mainly in the Tavistock reg district

Mount Edgcumbe House is in/near Plymouth, dating from the 1500's, per a Google search.
Presumably the Earls of Edgcumbe were employers of large numbers of local people over the years. Perhaps people named their children Edgcumbe as a mark of respect, or if hoping to ingratiate themselves with the boss?

https://www.houseofnames.com/edgcumbe-family-crest

There's also a village in Cornwall called Edgcumbe.


Absolutely no relation, as far as I know, but someone here has another family with Cornwall links, with the mystery middle name Edgcumbe:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=539858.0

Curisor and curisor. I wonder if he ? was a local hero of those times.

My couple were married in Plymouth so would no doubt know of the name and place.
Perhaps it's like being named Windsor or Buckingham?

Odder still that it is women named so. My group also acquired the name Parker , I wondered if that was because of contacts or inheritance. A bit of the Jane Austen's there I fear.
And expectations.

Curisor and curisor. I wonder if he ? was a local hero of those times.

My couple were married in Plymouth so would no doubt know of the name and place.
Perhaps it's like being named Windsor or Buckingham?

Odder still that it is women named so. My group also acquired the name Parker , I wondered if that was because of contacts or inheritance. A bit of the Jane Austen's there I fear.
And expectations.

Sylvia voiced my thought ... we have long experience with these dual-name situations. :-)

In my own experience with Devon, finding seemingly random surnames as middle names given to children is also very common. There are half a dozen in two generations of one of my families -- middle names that are surnames that I can find absolutely no familial connection with. And yes, including daughters, one of whom has two middle surnames that just come out of nowhere.

Back to Mr Brushett/Parker, though -- unmarried parents would be the most obvious explanation. Sometimes, a man (and thus his family) used his chosen name (i.e. his father's surname) all his life, except for formal records, where he used his formal surname (i.e. his mother's).

Once registration came in, unmarried parents who were together might have just registered the child in the father's surname. But when there were only parish clergy and baptisms, the local clergy were not likely to record a father's surname.

I would really doubt that inheritance was a factor in a tailor's family.