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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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14 Mar 2021 08:53 |
Think we have all gone down the wrong track sometimes
I know I have especially in the early days of my hobby
Bought certs too that turned out to be incorrect so were costly mistakes but at least eliminated the wrong path
Even now have looked at records and gone with them for a while to think hang on that can’t be correct
To me it’s what makes genealogy so interesting
Carry on sleuthing lol :-D
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Maralyn
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14 Mar 2021 08:13 |
Worked back to Cyril P Bragg with no problem. As friend thought there was an East London connection, I went in the wrong direction with Cyril Penrose.
Lesson learnt, never assume!
Many thanks.
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ErikaH
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13 Mar 2021 18:35 |
Always work backwards - less risk of making mistakes ;-) ;-)
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Maralyn
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13 Mar 2021 16:50 |
All of this is for a friend, who has no information about their family.
Mother was the Alice Love (adopted) that you all helped with me earlier. Friend's father was Douglas H Bragg mentioned above, who forbade his children from having anything to do with his family and they were never spoken about.
Thank you again for the additional info above. It is something that I can pass to my friend.
:-)
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Maddie
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13 Mar 2021 14:44 |
cyril pretoria is correct as previously posted
Name: Cyril Pretoria Bragg Gender: Male Marriage Age: 21 Record Type: Marriage Birth Date: abt 1899 Marriage Date: 18 Dec 1920 Marriage Place: Holy Trinity, Hounslow, Hounslow, England Father: Harry Hope Bragg Spouse: Gladys Beatrice Godden Register Type: Parish Register
Cyril Pretoria Last name Bragg Gender Unknown Age at death 75 Birth year 1900 Residence Rochester Burial year 1975 Cremation date 09 May 1975 Place Chatham, Medway Crematorium Disposal of ashes Ashes: Strewn in Glade 38 County Kent Country England Record source Medway, Kent Cremation Records 1959-1980 Record set Kent Burials
Gladys Beatrice Last name Bragg Gender Female Age at death 86 Birth year 1903 Occupation Retired Died at Died at Rochester. Removed from Rochester Burial year 1989 Burial date 28 Mar 1989 Place Rochester, Fort Pitt Military, St Margaret's & St Nicholas's Cemeteries County Kent Country England Record source Rochester, Kent. St Margaret's Cemetery burials 1865-2009 Grave reference Section J No. 253 (C) Notes Entry No. 4509. N P 6ft Record set Kent Burials
1939 67 Mansfield Drive, Hillingdon, Hayes and Harlington U.D., Middlesex, England
Gladys B Bragg 31 Jan 1906 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 126 1 Cyril P Bragg 10 Sep 1922 Male Shop Assistant Fruiterers Single 126 2 ------ mmn godden Douglas H Bragg 17 Dec 1923 Male Errand Boy (Unemployed) Single 126 3 The record for this person is officially closed. x 2
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Harry Hope Last name Bragg Birth quarter 3 Birth year 1865 Mother's maiden name Blackwell District Lambeth County London Country England Volume 1D Page 408
Harry Hope Last name Bragg Name note - Age 28 Marriage year 1893 Marriage date 15 Nov 1893 Marriage place Brixton Father's first name(s) Henry Father's last name Bragg Spouse's first name(s) Helen Hephzibah Spouse's last name Wyatt Spouse's age 26 Spouse's birth year 1867 Spouse's birth date 1867 Spouse's father's first name(s) Edward Spouse's father's last name Wyatt Residence Brixton, Surrey, England County Surrey Country England
1911 33 Clifton Road Spring Grove, Heston, Middlesex, England Learn about this record set Harry Hope Bragg Head Married Male 45 1866 Electric Tram Motorman Brixton London S W Helen Hephzibat Bragg Wife Married Female 43 1868 - Woodbridge Suffolk Leslie Harry Bragg Son Single Male 15 1896 Shop Assistant Brixton London S W Clifford Bragg Son Single Male 12 1899 School Wimbledon Surrey Cyril Bragg Son Single Male 10 1901 School Wimbledon Surrey
Harry Hope Last name Bragg Birth year 1866 Age 71 Death year 1937 Place Heston Dedication St Leonard Inscription In memory of / HARRY HOPE BRAGG / died June 11th 1937 / aged 71 / and his beloved wife / HELEN / died Jan. 25th 1933 / aged 67. Monument type Kerb inscribed at foot Position reference Churchyard Memorial reference Ko22 Document link A document containing detail of the church, and layouts for all inscriptions County Middlesex
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ErikaH
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13 Mar 2021 12:32 |
So which of the BRAGG families are you actually related to?
Deaths Jun 1975 (>99%) Bragg Cyril Pretoria 12AP1900 Chatham 16 672
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Maralyn
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13 Mar 2021 12:13 |
Forever grateful for all your help in checking info and clearing up my confusion.
I had a Cyril P Bragg and wrongly thought it was Cyril Penrose, when it was more likely to have been Cyril Pretoria Bragg. I do know the descendants of my Cyril P Bragg/Gladys Godden moved to Medway, Kent and have since found a death record of Cyril Pretoria Bragg, 1975 - Chatham, so perhaps all the family moved there.
Thank you so much. :-)
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ArgyllGran
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13 Mar 2021 11:32 |
Marriages Jun 1918 (>99%) Daynton Claudian P O'Connor Marylebone 1a 1366 O'Connor Mary Daynton Marylebone 1a 1366
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ArgyllGran
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13 Mar 2021 11:25 |
Maralyn -
you'll have to buy a copy of the cert to find out the exact date of the Bragg/Godden marriage.
But that's Cyril Pretoria's marriage - not Cyril Penrose's.
EDIT Oops, already given date of marriage in a post on 12 March, at 21:48
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ErikaH
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13 Mar 2021 08:49 |
The man who married was Cyril PRETORIA Bragg - the full info has been posted
This is his birth:- BRAGG, CYRIL PRETORIA (MMN) WYATT GRO Reference: 1900 J Quarter in KINGSTON ON THAMES Volume 02A Page 362
Cyril PENROSE (Bragg/Daynton) DIED in 1895 - as posted above
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Maralyn
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13 Mar 2021 08:37 |
I also have Cyril Penrose Bragg marrying a Gladys B Godden in 1920, 4th Qtr. Coincidence? Thought perhaps Cyril Penrose and Cyril Pretoria might be the same person, but Cyril Pretoria marriage cert say father is a Harry Hope Bragg. AgyllGran - could you find exact date of Cyril Penrose marriage please?
Wow, trying to get my head round all of above information, but thank you.
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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13 Mar 2021 07:27 |
No response from Marilyn ?
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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12 Mar 2021 22:40 |
Harold Penrose Daynton Death Age: 82 Birth Date: 31 Dec 1898 Registration Date: Jul 1981 [Aug 1981] [Sep 1981] Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep Registration District: Bury St edmunds Inferred County: Suffolk Volume: 10 Page: 2010
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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12 Mar 2021 22:36 |
More info
Cyril John Last name Daynton Birth year 1920 Age 24 Death year 1944 Death date 31 Dec 1944 Number 146297 Rank Flying Officer Unit 248 Sqdn. Regiment Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve Grave reference Panel 205. Cemetery or Memorial Runnymede Memorial Burial country United Kingdom Additional information Son of Claudian Penrose Daynton and Mary Daynton, of Sutton, Surrey. Link https://www.cwgc.org/find/find-war-dead War Second World War, 1939-1945 Record set Commonwealth War Graves Commission Debt Of Honour Category Military, armed forces & conflict Subcategory Second World War Collections from Great Britain, UK None © Commonwealth War Graves Commission
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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12 Mar 2021 22:24 |
Deaths Sep 1913 Daynton Rebecca 52 London C. 1c 22
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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12 Mar 2021 22:15 |
1911 census
Rebecca Daynton Age in 1911: 49 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Female Birth Place: Old Kent, London, England Civil Parish: Glemsford Search Photos: Search for 'Glemsford' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection Country: England Street Address: New Cut, Glemsford, Suffolk Marital status: Married Occupation: Matting Factory Registration District Number: 205 Sub-registration District: Melford ED, institution, or vessel: 05 Piece: 10560 Household Members: Name Age Rebecca Daynton 49 Claude Daynton 15 Harold Daynton 12 Selwyn Daynton 9
Married 27 years 5 children born 3 still living
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: DAYNTON, SELWYN PENROSE WORSFOLD GRO Reference: 1901 D Quarter in SUDBURY Volume 04A Page 912
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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12 Mar 2021 22:13 |
Wonder whether Joseph Bragg was in fact Joseph Daynton and they lied to face save
1901 census
Joseph Daynton Age: 45 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male Spouse: Rebecca Daynton Birth Place: Blackheath, Kent, England Civil Parish: Glemsford Search Photos: Search for 'Glemsford' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection Ecclesiastical parish: Glemsford Town: Glemsford County/Island: Suffolk Country: England Street Address: new cut
Occupation:wine agent
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status:
View image Registration District: Sudbury Sub-registration District: Hartest ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 1747 Folio: 34 Page Number: 13 Household Schedule Number: 98 Household Members: Name Age Joseph Daynton 45 Rebecca Daynton 38 Claud Daynton 5 Harold Daynton 2
Look at the birth record
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: DAYNTON, CLAUDIAN PENROSE BRAGG GRO Reference: 1895 S Quarter in SUDBURY Volume 04A Page 769
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Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: DAYNTON, HAROLD PENROSE WORSFOLD GRO Reference: 1899 M Quarter in SUDBURY Volume 04A Page 839
Some serious cover ups going on it looks like
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DAYNTON, CYRIL 2 GRO Reference: 1895 S Quarter in SUDBURY Volume 04A Page 442 So birth registered as Bragg but death regisred as Daynton
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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12 Mar 2021 21:52 |
You say mother thought to be Rebecca worsfield
Getting the cert will confirm .or not
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ArgyllGran
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12 Mar 2021 21:48 |
Cyril Pretoria Bragg in the London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1932 Name: Cyril Pretoria Bragg Gender: Male Marriage Age: 21 Record Type: Marriage Birth Date: abt 1899 Marriage Date: 18 Dec 1920 Marriage Place: Holy Trinity, Hounslow, Hounslow, England Father: Harry Hope Bragg Spouse: Gladys Beatrice Godden <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Register Type: Parish Register
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ArgyllGran
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12 Mar 2021 21:43 |
Rebecca Penrose Bragg in the London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1917 Name: Rebecca Penrose Bragg Gender: Female Record Type: Baptism Baptism Date: 10 May 1891 Baptism Place: England, St George in the East, Tower Hamlets Father: Joseph Bragg, labourer <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Mother: Rebecca Bragg Register Type: Parish Registers
12 Mayfields Buildings.
*********** Rebecca nee Worsfield/Worsfold was at 12 Mayfields Buildings in 1891.
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