Genealogy Chat

hi...bit of advice needed....i may go to a church today,to see where a lot of my late 1700/early 1800`s ancestors are buried....i have definite details of my gggg grandfathers babtism at this church,and i have his parents names(not his mothers maiden name)...does a church babtism/birth certificate from this era have the mothers maiden name on it....according to cheshire records,i`m certain that this couple came from another county,not cheshire....how can i find out where they came from,if its not on a babtism/birth cert....the earliest babtism of their 1st born is 1776 at this church........regards.....allan

In my experience it's unlikely to have the mother's maiden name in records as early as that....some baptisms have only the father's name, infact, but churches vary. Why not tell us their names and the church and see if people can help. Joan

hi joan......i have daniel oakes..b 1782...babtism at st oswalds church,backford,cheshire....on 26/01/1782..... parents ralph oakes/mary oakes........thanks...allan

Sorry...can't find anything sensible...but, just a thought...surely called first child Ralph, and there was this birth earlier IGI Individual Record FamilySearch™ International Genealogical Index v5.0 British Isles Search Results | Download | Pedigree -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ralph Oakes Male -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s): Birth: 19 MAY 1767 Burslem, Stafford, England Christening: Death: Burial: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Parents: Father: Ralph Oakes Family Mother: Mary Smith -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Messages: Record submitted by a member of the LDS Church. The record often shows the name of the individual and his or her relationship to a descendant, shown as the heir, family representative, or relative. The original records are not indexed, and you may have to look at the film frame-by-frame to find the information you want. A family group record for this couple may be in the Family Group Record Collection; Archive Section. (See the Family History Library Catalog for the film number.) These records are alphabetical by name of the father or husband. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Film Number: 459120 Page Number: Reference number: Hope someone can help Good hunting Joan

thanks joan...only have 3 children for ralph/mary oakes.....all babtised in st oswalds church,backford.....elizabeth 1776...peter 1779..daniel 1782.....but thats not to say that they had earlier children before they moved to backford.....regards...allan

Hi - thought there might be a few other children to 'fill in the space' between 1767 and the first known Christening in Cheshire - and here they are! I also found an entry for Ralph which is an extracted entry (as are the others) rather than the submitted one (where there is a danger of over-enthusiasm). The submitted one though, did have a maiden name for Mary. Don't know how close Norton in the Moors is to Burslem but found this on familysearch:- Spouse: MARY BUTTERTON Family Marriage: 29 JAN 1764 Norton In The Moors, Stafford, England 1. TERESA OAKES - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 18 OCT 1772 Burslem, Stafford, England 2. RALPH OAKES - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 19 MAY 1767 Burslem, Stafford, England 3. ANN OAKES - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 04 FEB 1770 Burslem, Stafford, England Victoria

hi girls...these look like 2 different families....one mary smith..the other mary butterton.....same year of birth for ralph 1767 though...i`ll have to dig deeper....thanks allan

Allan - The three children (including Ralph) are children of the same Ralph and Mary Oakes - I just found his two sisters that fill in the gap between Ralph and the children baptised in Chester. It could well be that the member of the LDS is right in thinking Mary Smith married your Ralph Oakes - but the only marriage I could find (and in vaguely the right area) was Mary Butterton. Victoria

thanks victoria.......how do you know that this ralph and mary oakes moved to backford,cheshire ,please?..i`ll be delighted if it is my ralph and mary,as their origin before backford has been a problem for me to find for about a year.....regards...allan

hi victoria.......i posted a new thread on rootschat on the staffs page regarding the info you found........someone has given me ralph/mary smith marriage,and ralph/ann.teresa`s births....and unfortunately ralph snrs DEATH in burslem......i know that ralph is buried in st oswalds church in backford,cheshire....so we have the wrong ralph/mary and the 3 other children are no relation........but many many thanks for your input for my request to find ralph and marys birthplace........regards.....allan