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Hi All, To follow Thanks Paul

Hi, I'm having trouble trying to find a Mary Ann Newberry (nee Smith c 1838) and her daughter Esther Newberry c 1864. They are mistranscribed in the 1871 Wales census as Newbrey and are living in Swansea where Mary Ann says unmarried. The name is often mistranscribed but I have tried Newbrey, Newberry, Newbery, Newbury and cannot locate either of them after 1871 census. Mary Ann was born in Neath Abbey, Glamorganshire Esther was born in Cheshire. Any help would be appreciated. The 1871 census record is:- RG10; Piece: 5455; Folio: 48; Page: 6 Many thanks Paul

Did Esther by chance have a second name? Name: Esther Jane Newberry Year of Registration: 1893 Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec District: Cardiff (1837-1974) County: Glamorgan, Monmouthshire Volume: 11a Page: 444 William Rodgers OR John MacEwing Smith OR Walter Edward J Webb Reg

Found this one in 1881: Esther Norbury Age: 19 Estimated birth year: abt 1862 Relation: Servant Gender: Female Where born: Hoole, Cheshire, England Civil parish: Gresford - Llay County/Island: Denbighshire Country: Wales Street address: Not Reqrd Education: View image Employment status: View image Occupation: Kitchen Maid (Dom) Registration district: Wrexham Sub-registration district: Ruabon ED, institution, or vessel: 23 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Mary E. Egerton 63 Sibella Egerton 93 Sibella Egerton 40 Charlotte Griffiths 72 Matilda Jeffer 25 Mary Monk 36 Esther Norbury 19 Jane Steede 25 Elizabeth Stevenson 54 Thomas Williams 19 Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 5518; Folio: 108; Page: 21; Line: ; GSU roll: 1342326. Jill

Hi Paul Was it possible that Mary Ann remarried? Looking at 1891 Wales census - searching under Mary - born Neath - living Swansea - born 1838. There are one or two possibles but different surnames - can't see a likely mistranscription ... Jill

Hi Jill, Many thanks for your reply and time given. I'll certainly take a look. Much appreciated Paul

Hi Reggie, Not that I am aware of; however the Esther Jane you refer to was born in Cardiff and did marry John McEwan Smith. The Swansea Esther is a new lead for me. Many thanks Paul

I found this in 1881 Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability George J. NEWBERY Head M Male 55 Biggleswade, Bedford, England Member Of Lonn Stock Exchange (Broker) Mary NEWBERY Wife M Female 41 Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales George R. NEWBERY Son U Male 19 Cheshunt, Hertford, England Clerk To Stockbroker Margaret E. NEWBERY Daur U Female 18 Cheshunt, Hertford, England Elizabeth NEWBERY Daur U Female 17 Cheshunt, Hertford, England Gertrude M. NEWBERY Daur U Female 15 Cheshunt, Hertford, England Kathleen L. NEWBERY Daur Female 9 Broxbourne, Hertford, England Mabel J. NEWBERY Daur Female 6 Broxbourne, Hertford, England Blanch NEWBERY Daur Female 4 Broxbourne, Hertford, England Lilian G. NEWBERY Daur Female 2 Broxbourne, Hertford, England Basil J. NEWBERY Son Male 6 m Broxbourne, Hertford, England Henley F. DODGSON Visitor U Male 19 Woodford, Essex, England Clerk To Stockbroker Maria C. JUPP Serv W Female 57 Old Kent Road, Surrey, England Cook Dom Serv Emma M. THRUSSELL Serv U Female 19 Hatfield, Hertford, England Housemaid Dom Serv Sarah A. SIMPSON Serv U Female 26 Bromley By Bow, Middlesex, England Nurse Dom Serv Eliza C. SHRIMPTON Serv U Female 21 Hertingfordbury, Hertford, England Under Nurse Dom Serv -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Dwelling Court Fields Census Place Broxbourne, Hertford, England Family History Library Film 1341341 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 1399 / 34 Page Number 21 Ann

Hi Jill, I'm pretty certain she may well of remarried. This is a problem part of the family. It appears as though without any form of state aid the only support people had was through marriage. If a partner died then the other partner often remarried without too much of a delay. A Mary Ann Smith (Neath Abbey c1838) married a George Newberry (Chepstow c1831) in Pembrokeshire 1859 (I have the MC). They had one daughter, Ann born 1860 (I have the BC). Ann died in the Union Workhouse, Swansea aged 9 of something very similar to malnutrition as stated on the DC. So I know I have the right family and for this family the last known confirmed address on Ann's DC was Swansea. The witness named on the certificate was her father George. The 1871 Wales census shows a Mary Ann Newbrey (Neath Abbey) living with her daughter Esther Newbrey c 1864 (Birkenhead) in Swansea. Freebmd shows an Esther Newberry c1864 Birkenhead There are too many coincidences for it not to be the Mary Ann Newberry I'm searching for. Another part of the puzzle is where did George disappear to? Many thanks Paul

Hi Ann, Unfortunately that is not the family, however many thanks for looking it up and posting it. Much appreciated Paul

Yes I can see that now. Having a senior moment lol Good luck searching Ann