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i have a marriage cert for frederick cooper who married 1903 islington. it says his father was abraham cooper. I have looked on 1901 census and found abraham cooper born in eisey herefordshire. i found the same family on 1891 census but it says he was born in thrsa countie bedfordshire, i cant find abraham cooper on amy other census or his birth because i am not sure where he was born

Robert what was Abraham's occupation on the marriage certificate? Georgina.

Hertfordshire and Bedfordshire are next to each other. Maybe he lived/was born on the boarder which moved. (which happens often over the years). I have the same problem in Middlesex with some of mine. Sheila

Could this be the family in 1881? Abraham is not at home... Name: Ben. Cooper Age: 4 Estimated birth year: abt 1877 Relation: Son Mother's name: Sarah Gender: Male Where born: Arlesey, Bedfordshire, England Civil parish: Arlesey County/Island: Bedfordshire Country: England Street address: Straw St Education: Employment status: View image Occupation: Scholar Registration district: Biggleswade Sub-registration district: Biggleswade ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Ben. Cooper 4 Emma Cooper 2 Fanny Cooper 11 George Cooper 7 Mary Ann Cooper 13 Sarah Cooper 30 William Cooper 6 Sarah Goodwin 66 Georgina.

In 1881 Abraham is visiting his brother... Name: Abraham Cooper Age: 35 Estimated birth year: abt 1846 Relation: Brother Gender: Male Where born: Arsely, Bedfordshire, England Civil parish: Beckenham County/Island: Kent Country: England Street address: 17 Eden Road Condition as to marriage: Married Education: Employment status: View image Occupation: Labourer Registration district: Bromley Sub-registration district: Bromley ED, institution, or vessel: 2a Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Abraham Cooper 35 Hannah Cooper 3 John Cooper 1 Mary Ann Cooper 30 Mary Ann Cooper 9 Thomas Cooper 30 William Cooper 5 David Deer 32 John Smith 30 Joseph Stonebridge 34 Georgina.

The 1891 image says Beds, Three Counties..bedfordshire is one of the three home counties, thats herts, beds and bucks.

on the cert he was a labourer

This could be Abraham's marriage... Marriages Dec 1872 (>99%) Cooper Abraham Biggleswade 3b 864 GOODWIN Sarah Biggleswade 3b 864 JOHNSON William Biggleswade 3b 864 Rainbow Rose Ann Biggleswade 3b 864 Georgina.

The original document looks as if it reads Elsey Hertford or Hereford a big splodge on the counties name doesn't make it clear ...... for 1901 In 1891 the origianl document reads Bedfordshire THREE Counties ..... could Elsey be in fact ARLSEY in Beds??? Possible guy in 1881: 1881 England Census about Abraham Cooper Name: Abraham Cooper Age: 35 Estimated birth year: abt 1846 Relation: Brother Gender: Male Where born: Arsely, Bedfordshire, England Civil parish: Beckenham County/Island: Kent Country: England Street address: 17 Eden Road Condition as to marriage: Married Education: Employment status: View image Occupation: Labourer Registration district: Bromley Sub-registration district: Bromley ED, institution, or vessel: 2a Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Abraham Cooper 35 Hannah Cooper 3 John Cooper 1 Mary Ann Cooper 30 Mary Ann Cooper 9 Thomas Cooper 30 William Cooper 5 David Deer 32 John Smith 30 Joseph Stonebridge 34 Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 849; Folio: 45; Page: 33; Line: ; GSU roll: 1341201.

how can i tell if this is the correct abraham thats on my cert ?

You can buy Frederick's birth certificate which will confirm his parents names. Georgina.

A HUGE GUESS at a marriage as in 1871 Abraham is Single but married in 1881: Marriages Dec 1872 (>99%) Cooper Abraham Biggleswade 3b 864 GOODWIN Sarah Biggleswade 3b 864 You'd need a birth cert of their children to ascertain Sarah's maiden name .

Have you got your fredericks birth cert, that will give you his mums name and maiden name. That will help you cross reference with the census returns.

Robert how old was Frederick on his marriage certificate & what were the witnesses names? Georgina.

If he is the Frederick on the 1891 census then this looks like his birth... Births Jun 1882 (>99%) Cooper Frederick Biggleswade 3b 383 Georgina.

frederick cooper married ellen smith september 13th 1903, they were both 22. witness c cooper G ballaintyne ( hard to read)

Abraham cooper in 1901 has a address of 12 milton grove. i have the birth cert of my great grandfather who was born in 1903 11 milton grove, so i think i have the right abraham

Have you check familysearch.org? it has a pretty good coverage of bedfordshire. ABRAHAM COOPER Male Family -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s): Birth: Christening: Death: Burial: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Parents: Father: GEORGE COOPER Family -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marriages: Spouse: SARAH GOODWIN Family Marriage: 23 NOV 1872 Arlesey, Bedford, England Husband Age at Marriage: 26 Wife Age at Marriage: 22

that looks good, i have lots to look at now