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Hi kind people, anyone fancy trying to find a marriage for me please. I've just drawn blanks on this one: Louisa Gibbs(c1856) born in London to John Turner (c1855) born in London. I believe it took place between 1871 - 1881 info. taken from Censuses. It would almost certainly have taken place in Bethnal Green/Hackey/Whitechapel/Bishopsgate. Thanks anyone. Linda

Linda, Can you post them in 1871 and 1881? I can see 2 couples in 1881 that might fit. Rose

Lindy are you sure his name was John?? Marriages Mar 1879 (>99%) Bellamy Lewis Bethnal Green 1c 371 ELLIOTT Mary Ann Bethnal Green 1c 371 Gibbs Louisa Bethnal Green 1c 371 Gibbs Louisa Bethnal Green 1c 371 Turner Frederick George Bethnal Green 1c 371 Georgina.

Rose, What do you mean when you say 'Post them'? Linda

I mean list the details here. Post them on this message. Details of their children, occupations, where they were living, etc. Rose

Georgina, According to 1881 Census she is Louisa Turner shown as married and living with parents Jane and Silas Gibbs. 1891 Census she is living with John Turner and daughter Ellen (also shown on 1881) at 17 Sydey Terr/Rd. Linda

Okay Rose, 1881 Census, 9 Lees Bldgs., Shoreditch, Isabella Gibbs 30 Daughter, Jane Gibbs 65 Wife, Silas Gibbs 60 Head, Ellen Turner 8mths. G/daughter, Louisa Turner 25 married Daughter. 1891 Cesus, 17 Sydney Terr/Rd John Turner Head 37, Louisa Turner Wife 36, Ellen L Turner 14?? Daughter. Linda

OK, That's why I couldn't find them in 1881 because they weren't together. This is Ellen's birth: Births Dec 1880 Turner Ellen Louise Hackney 1b 593 Odd thing is, she's listed as 24 in 1901. Rose

Who's this in 1881? This matches with John's occupation in 1891. Household: Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability John TURNER Head M Male 28 Homerton Cellerman Louisa TURNER Wife M Female 27 Shoreditch Ellen L. TURNER Daur Female 5 Hackney Frederick W.C. LEW Visitor U Male 19 Malta Commercial Clerk John TURNER Head M Male 61 Shoreditch Horse Dealer Sarah TURNER Wife M Female 60 Epping, Essex, England -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Dwelling 151 High Street Census Place London, Middlesex, England Family History Library Film 1341066 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 0307 / 76 Page Number 4 Rose

Here's the other Ellen's birth: Births Dec 1875 Turner Ellen Louise Hackney 1b 500 Rose

You've got 2 different families here. Ellen and Louisa are still with Silas and Jane in 1891. Louisa Gibbs must have married Frederick George. Rose

Here they are in 1901: 1901 England Census about Louisa Turner Name: Louisa Turner Age: 43 Estimated birth year: abt 1858 Relation: Mother-in-law Gender: Female Where born: E C, London, England Civil parish: Shoreditch St Leonard Ecclesiastical parish: St Augustine Haggerston County/Island: London Country: England Registration district: Shoreditch Sub-registration district: Haggerston ED, institution, or vessel: 18 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 11 Household Members: Name Age Charles Arnold 23 Charles W G Arnold 3 Ellen L Arnold 21 Herbert R Arnold 1 Silas Gibbs 81 Amelia F Kegus 29 Amelia F Kegus 5 Frederick Kegus 27 Frederick C Kegus 3 Louisa Turner 43 Rose

Hi Rose, I'm more than confused! 1901 Census I know is correct and it looks like John is dead/gone. 1891 Census John Turner (Head)Wine Cellarman, Louisa (Wife) and Ellen L (Daug.) are at 17 Sidney Terr./Rd. but you have also found them living 151 High St. with Johns family. Would it have been possible to register yourself on 1891 Census twice. 1881 Census makes sense as Louisa had just had a baby (Ellen), might she have been being cared for by her mum Jane Gibbs. Georgina may have something when she asked if she married Fred not John. (John did have a brother Fred.). Linda

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Linda, Read it all again. There are 2 different families with mother Louisa and child Ellen Louisa. One family is with John. The other lives with the Gibbs. Rose

Hi Rose, Thanks for your patience, it took me a long time but I've finally got there, I never dreamed there would be so many people with so similar identities. Linda