Genealogy Chat

I have been looking for the birth certificate of Frederick William Hains. The 1871 census suggests he was born abt. 1868 in Shoreditch. Other censuses give a date of abt. 1869 and the place Haggerston, also in Shoreditch district. I am aware that the family surname has been spelt Haynes or Haines, and have checked the indexes from 1867-1870 for all these spellings. There is an entry for Sept. 1868 for a Frederic William Hains born in Shoreditch...but it's not the right person (different parent names). I suppose it is possible his birth was never registered. Since I am not entirely sure which Parish Church he would come under (it could be one of several) it's going to be a very long job trawling all their records to see if he was baptised. Is there anything else anyone could suggest I try first? Thanks, Sharon

Try looking for it under the mother's maiden name? Rose

Its a long shot, but this came up under phonetic search Surname First name(s) District Vol Page -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Births Dec 1867 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hanks Frederick William G Shoreditch 1c 123 Gerry :-))

Odd thing is, apart from your Frederick, I don't see this one on the census. Births Sep 1868 HAINS Frederic William Shoreditch 1c 178 But you say this isn't the one? Rose

and this lot when searching in Middlesex Surname First name(s) District Vol Page -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Births Dec 1865 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Haynes Frederick William Strand 1b 532 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Births Jun 1866 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Haynes Frederick W Poplar 1c 677 Haynes Frederick W Poplar 1c 638 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Births Sep 1867 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Haines Frederick William Staines 3a 11 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Births Dec 1867 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hanks Frederick William G Shoreditch 1c 123 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Births Mar 1868 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Haynes Frederick William Clerkenwell 1b 705 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Births Sep 1870 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hines Frederick William Pancras 1b 97

I have often found that my London Ancestors were not necessarily registered in the District shown on the census, so it is worth looking a bit further afield sometimes when it comes to London. Gerry :-))

Rose, I doubt it would be under the mother's maiden name as I am pretty sure they were married by then and I have found what looks like the entry for Frederick's older brother's birth registered under Hains. And, no, that really isn't the right one. I sent off for the certificate so sure it was correct that I didn't bother asking for a name check on the parents. Lesson learned! Gerry, The 1865/66 records are definitely too early as his elder brother ws born in abt. 1866. I'd found the Clerkenwell record and also one for Lambeth in Sept. 1867 which I will try next I suppose. The Hanks entry is interesting, but could they really get it that wrong? I'd have no problem if it were a census entry, but for a birth? Thank you both for your input. Sharon

Who were the parents on the incorrect one? Rose

Hi Rose, I have just searched everywhere I can think of and I can't find the certificate! I received it ages ago now and since it didn't belong in my main folders I must have put it somewhere 'safe'. :-) I do know that the names of the parents were so different to the ones I was looking for that it couldn't possibly be them though. Sharon

The index for that 1867 entry is typed. That means that it's a transcription of the original handwritten index - which was transcribed quarterly from the local register. Given that GRO is quite capable of mistranscribing, it's entirely possible that that was also an error. Having said that, it would have to mean that it's been moved out if alpha-sequence at one point. Christine

Sharon Believe me, they (whoever they may be) can get it very wrong sometimes. I have had some very strange changes of names, not all due to transcribing me thinks. Inability to spell, misunderstanding and just plain old making a mistake come to mind. I note you say older bros was ABOUT 1866. If that date is not confirmed then all optionsare open. LOL Gerry :-))

Thanks Christine and Gerry. I shall certainly bear Mr Hanks in mind! Sharon

Births Dec 1869 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Harrison Fredrick William E. Ward 10b 563