Genealogy Chat

Will it have roses mothers maiden name on the birth certificate.? And i think i will have to get a copy of my nan and Grandads marriae certificate as this will say there fathers names and occupations wont it?

Thanks to all of you for your help,cant belive youve found a marriage in such a short space of time will let you no what i find out . thanks joy

If you find that the death certificate has Portsmouth as a place of birth for Millicent it would be worth contacting the register office there and asking if they have a record of her birth. .... It may not have made it onto the GRO master copy for some reason. You can also order certificates direct from Portsmouth office with a credit card, I believe.... I have done this in the past. Your grandparents' marriage certificate should show the couple's ages. Gwyn

A couple of thoughts (just to stir the pot). If Rosetta was born 1911 and Alexander Dubois marriage is 1913 then they can't be her parents because she would have been registered under her mother's name. So either her mother is a Dubois or she has different parents. There aren't many dubois around - is there a connection between those in Bethnal Green and the Portsmouth ones - there is another Rosetta A born 1891 in B Green who would be just the right age to have a child in 1912...... Might be a wild goose chase but....

Joy, When was your grandad born? Just wondering in case she was older and lied about her age. Rose

Peter in NZ That is an interesting thought regarding the older Rosetta, certainly worth investigating as to whether the sister, Rosetta was known to have been born in Portsmouth, ...or was it presumed? However I don't think a marriage in 1913 excludes that couple as parents. I have 3 distant relatives showing on the 1891 census living with their 'married' parents. All were registered with their father's surname, although the parents didn't actually marry until 1892. Gwyn

I have no idea if that couple are Rosetta's parents- just the righ name in the right place - and it is an unsual name. You are right - they all seem to rotate around London mostly. here Name: Rosetta Amelia Desbois Year of Registration: 1891 Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec District: Bethnal Green County: Greater London, London, Middlesex Volume: 1c Page: 184 so.....where did march 1911 come from? answer, here! birth Name: Rosetta A Desbois Year of Registration: 1911 Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar District: Portsmouth (1900 Onw) County: Hampshire Volume: 2b Page: 450 looking at the first one, although I know one would normally know ones name but, Millicent/Milly/Amelia.... all a bit close

Just to add . My mother was born in 1919. Her parents didnt marry till 1920. Mum was registered with her fathers name . Margaret

I have just found out today that an uncle I thought was born July 1938 was actually born July 1910 he was born out of wedlock and was re-registered July 1938 I have been searching for him thinking he could stil be alive, my mums parents married in 1912 and had another child in 1912. I always thought that kind of thing was forbidden and didn't happen then, that women ended up in mental hospitals and grand-parents brought the child up as their own if it the child wasn't adopted or put in a home. Could the person you are looking for have been born before the parents were married or could she have been adopted. Debbie

I think until the marriage cert is purchased , this wont move on , we need to know the name of her father - my money is on Alexander

HI Sorry not replied before, you have all been Brilliant and given me lots to think about. I think i will have to order a marriage certificate for my nan and grandad.I cant order a birth certificate for my nan as i really dont no now if she was born then or not. The Rosetta born in london does seem like a good lead. Scarlett,thanks i would never have thought about the namesIE Rosetta Amelia/millicent and connected them. Thanks again to all of you . Will keep you informed. joy

Have horible feeling that she'll have no dad named, but maybe the witnesses will lead somewhere. we'll twiddle our thumbs until it comes

FOUND HER . Dont no how its connected yet but went to tree matches,found a alexandra desbois and sent a message to the owner,shes my nans cousin.She only lives 30 mins away Have put a proper thank you on success storys,and will ring tomorrow and hopefully fill in some gaps. joy

Tell us what you know about alexandra- we may be able to hunt her out , depending on dates, of course

Sorry it was Alexanda, {not alexandra}the one who married Lilly wareham.The marriage you found.

Hi Just to let you no,i spoke to my nans cousin. My nan may not have been registred as she was born illigitamitly to Rossetta Amelia born bethnal green,she was taken back in to the family and basicly brought up as one of them.The alexanda marriage you found was her uncle, Rosettas brother. The lady i spoke to is a sister of rose and alex.She is going to email me the family tree so i can do some more research so i will probably be back soon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks again to you all. joy

So you are saying Rosetta Amelia wasn't born as Desbois but something else? NO YOU'RE NOT - IM CONFUSED!! You are saying Millicent was an illig. daugh of Rosetta's! So was Rosetta born a Desbois, or did she marry one ?I forget now. Gawd, this is confusing! Polite plea- can you use their full names, all these Rose's/Milly's & Alex's are getting confusing! -------------------------------------------------------- just making some notes 1891 RG12; Piece: 259; Folio 71; Page 38; ---- Name: Arthur Desbois Year of Registration: 1881 Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep District: Bethnal Green County: Greater London, London, Middlesex Volume: 1c Page: 513 ---

are you sure she was a Millicent? or are you assuming she was a Millicent as she was know as Milly? I;m thinking the 1911/1912 one is in fact your Nan, named after her mother, Rosetta, A maybe for Amelia ( and hence called Millie , because, raised as a daughter, you could hardly have to called rosetta.) Think i'd have to send for that cert mayself - just to see whatthat ones mothers name was

HI Scarlet Sorry im getting confused as well Aruther and Emily Desbois moved from london to portsmouth late 1800s/Early 1900s.They had 4 children Lilian Rosetta Alexanda violet . Rosetta amelia desbois {the one you found at bethnal green} had my nan 'millicent' in approx 1912 but she was illigitamate,no one has any idear who the father was.The family took rosetta and millicent back and millicent was brought up basicly as one of the children,though she was actully a grand child. The marriage you found- Alexanda marrying Lillian wareham in 1913 was Rosettas brother/millicents uncle. The Rosetta i had already found born 1911 in portsmouth is actully no connection at all,This is the Rosetta i thought was my nans sister. Also i dont think my nan was ever registred as there is no trace.

Thats a good point,did think it was strange that another Roseta Desbois was born in portsmouth the year before but there was no connection.Afterall,as i said the other day Desbois is such an unusual name.I will order a birt certificate first thing in morning,do i just contact my local records office or can i do it on line? joy