Genealogy Chat

Can I just confirm that what Gwyn has said is correct - when registering a death, the registrar does ask if there are any other names by which the deceased has been known. My Mum was Josephine, but known to everyone as Joyce, so the registrar put both names. Mandy :)

Hi Joyce - only just seen your message. I've sent you a p.m. It was Fast Deed Poll who I used. Liz

hi liz were do you go on line as my son changed his name to my second hubby but as i have remarried his wife wants to change it to my maiden name,but thought it might cost to much as they have three young children joyce from holland

Thanks everyone. You can download the Deed Poll document for £3.50 online now, although more expensive ones are advertised. The firm who sent it to me guarantee it is accepted by DVLA, all offficial bodies and most Banks. I've got a friend to witness it, as it only requires one signature and I've printed a few off on quality paper. I will ring my sols who hold a simple will to ask if it's okay to just append my Deed Poll doc rather than pay to have the will redrawn with new name. I liked being Liz on here and Elizabeth is my middle name and one that I now know goes back many generations. So that's my new first name. The new surname is my mat. grandmother's maiden name. It does feel like having a fresh start... Thanks and warm regards. Liz

Nana - snap.....!

Just be careful when you are renewing your passport. You should be ok to send the Deed with your renewal but don't leave to the last minute in case there are any hitches.

A friend of mine applied for a passport under the name he had been known for for years. He had to see a solicitor and have his name offically changed by Deed Poll before he could be issued with one. Nana

I think ( but not 100% sure) that present day death certificates ask for any other names that the deceased has been known by..... so as long as the informant knew of the change of name, someone researching should be able to make the link. Gwyn

Found this so hope it helps explain things Can a birth certificate be changed? There are very few circumstances where a birth certificate can be changed. This is because a birth certificate is an historical record, which was correct when the birth was registered. In most situations, if you want to be legally known by a name that is different to your birth name, all you can do is apply for a Deed Poll to change your legal name. When you receive your Deed Poll document, you will use it to get all your official documents and records changed to your new name. In the future, if you are asked to prove your identity (say for example you apply for a passport or bank account) you simply produce your birth certificate and your Deed Poll document. The new name shown on your Deed Poll overrides the name on your birth certificate. There are a few circumstances that enable you to get your, or your child's, name entry in the birth register amended. Consequently, a new birth certificate can be issued showing the new or amended name details. If you are able to get a new birth certificate issued, a Deed Poll is not required as the new birth certificate will be accepted by everyone as documentary evidence of the change of name thus enabling all documents and records to be changed to the new name. The rules differ throughout the United Kingdom as follows: For births registered in England or Wales [view] For births registered in Scotland [view] For births registered in Northern Ireland [view] For births registered in England or Wales: The name on a birth certificate issued in England or Wales can be changed in the following circumstances: Changing a child's forename(s): If you only wish to change the forename(s) of your child, it is possible to have your child's new forenames added to the birth register, provided the new forenames were given either in baptism or by regular use within 12 months of the birth being registered. The new forenames may be added to the birth record after 12 months, but you will need to provide documentary evidence that the new forenames were in use within 12 months of registration. Upon re-registration, a new birth certificate can be purchased. Please note, a new full birth certificate will show both the original and the new forenames. Changing a child's surname from the mother's surname to the father's surname (parents not married): If the natural parents of the child were not married to each other at the time of the birth and the father did not attend with the mother to register the child, it is possible to re-register the birth at any time in the future to include the father's details and change the surname of the child to that of the father (only if both parents agree, otherwise a court order is required). Upon re-registration, a new birth certificate can be purchased. Changing a child's surname from the mother's surname to the father's surname (parents married since birth): If the natural parents have married each other since the birth was registered, the birth can be re-registered to show the child as a child of the parents' marriage. Upon re-registration, the child and mother's surname can be changed to that of the father and a new birth certificate can be purchased. If you have changed your gender and obtained a Gender Recognition Certificate (from 4th April 2005) If you are at least 18 years of age and have gender dysphoria and have been living in your acquired gender for at least two years, you can apply to the Gender Recognition Panel for a Gender Recognition Certificate, which will enable you to obtain a new birth certificate showing your new gender and name. The new birth certificate can be used as documentary evidence of your change of name thus avoiding the need for a Deed Poll. For further information e-mail the General Registrar Office for England and Wales, or call them on 0151-471 4806. Alternatively, telephone or visit your local register office. For births registered in Scotland: The name on a birth certificate issued in Scotland can be changed in the following circumstances: Changing a child's forename(s) who is under one year of age: If a child's forename(s) (but not surname) are changed within the first year of life, the change can be recorded in the birth register if an application is made within two years of the birth of the child. The application must be signed by everyone with parental responsibility for the child. When a certificate of the child's birth entry is subsequently issued, the new name is substituted for the name originally registered. Changing a person's forename(s) and/or surname who is at least two years of age: For persons aged two years and over, providing documentary evidence [What is documentary evidence] that a different name has been used for at least two years, an application can be made to change of forename(s) and/or surname recorded in the birth register. For a person under 16 years of age, the application must be signed by everyone with parental responsibility. In the subsequent issue of a birth certificate the original forename(s) and surname are shown in addition to the new names. By changing your name by Deed Poll, you will be able to get your documents and records changed to your new name for subsequent use as documentary evidence that you have used your new name for the two year period. If you have changed your gender and obtained a Gender Recognition Certificate (from 4th April 2005) If you are at least 18 years of age and have gender dysphoria and have been living in your acquired gender for at least two years, you can apply to the Gender Recognition Panel for a Gender Recognition Certificate, which will enable you to obtain a new birth certificate showing your new gender and name. The new birth certificate can be used as documentary evidence of your change of name thus avoiding the need for a Deed Poll. For further information e-mail the General Registrar Office for Scotland, or telephone them on 0131-314 4444. For births registered in Northern Ireland: The name on a birth certificate issued in Northern Ireland can be changed in the following circumstances: Changing a child's forename(s) who is under two years of age: If a child's forename(s) (but not surname) are changed within the first two year of life, an application can be made to change the birth register. The application must be signed by everyone with parental responsibility for the child. When a birth certificate of the child's birth entry is subsequently issued, the new forename(s) is substituted for the name originally registered. Changing a person's forename(s) and/or surname who is at least two years of age: For persons aged two years and over, providing documentary evidence [What is documentary evidence] that the new name has been used for at least two years, an application can be made to change of forename(s) and/or surname recorded in the birth register. For a person under 16 years of age, the application must be signed by everyone with parental responsibility. Any subsequently issued certificate of birth will continue to show the forename(s) and surname as originally registered but the new forename(s) and/or surname as recorded will be shown in a separate space, together with the date on which the change was recorded. By changing your name by Deed Poll, you will be able to get your documents and records changed to your new name for subsequent use as documentary evidence that you have used your new name for the two year period. If you have changed your gender and obtained a Gender Recognition Certificate (from 4th April 2005) If you are at least 18 years of age and have gender dysphoria and have been living in your acquired gender for at least two years, you can apply to the Gender Recognition Panel for a Gender Recognition Certificate, which will enable you to obtain a new birth certificate showing your new gender

I did mine on line for about £20 and with it they included a sort of Certificate which had to be witnessed by two people. They enclosed about 20 copies of a form ready printed to send out to banks and so on. I liked having the cert, it just seemed to make it that more real to me and the problem you mention had occurred to me also. Having two independent professional people sign it (I got a friend who is a JP to be one witness) seemed to make it more official. I added my mothers surname as a middle name as there are only about 300 people of that name left in the world now and our branch ends with little old me. Eldest son has also added it as a middle name and has pledged to add it to any kids he has so that the line will be picked up by any family genealogist in a couple of centuries time. I would say Liz that what you and I have done isnt actually by Deed Poll, its using the right to be known by a name you choose as long as its not for a dubious purpose and as long as you notify everyone of the change. Deed Poll requires the legal bods being involved.

You should have an official document stating the change of name, and it's legality. There shouldn't be any problems if you have that.

Hi I've done the deed...and changed my name. Occurred to me that when I finally pop my clogs and a death cert is required, will it cause problems that my birth cert is in my former name? all other official documents and my NHS records will be in the new name. I didn't realise it was so easy - £3.50 online for the form and then just letting everyone know, sending copies of the form where necessary. Thanks. Liz