Genealogy Chat

hi all , i am looking for a birth for Beatrice Mildren c1865 in st austell cornwall and cannot find her anywhere,I have her wedding cert from 1885 and it says age 20,i also have record of death in 1919 age 53 which again takes me back to 1865ish,i have trawled ancestry the long way thru the records a few years either side of 1865 and nothing at all. Did they have to produce a birth cert to get married ,cos if so the dates have to be right dont they?? anyone who has an idea let me know ,thanks Barry

Looks like she was born before the wedding so that's why you can't find her birth. Marriages Sep 1866 Mildren John G Helston 5c 313 Mitchell Johanna Helston 5c 313 OLIVEY William Helston 5c 313 PENGELLY Grace Helston 5c 313 Rose

Beatrice in 1881: Name: Beatrice Mildren Age: 15 Estimated birth year: abt 1866 Relation: Daughter Father's name: John Mother's name: Grace Gender: Female Where born: St Austell, Cornwall, England Civil parish: Widnes County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: 37 Gerrard Street Registration district: Prescot Sub-registration district: Farnworth ED, institution, or vessel: 7 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Ann M. Mildren 13 Beatrice Mildren 15 Grace Mildren 34 John Mildren 35 John J. Mildren 5 Lucy Mildren 3 Rossina Mildren 10 Rose

is this them in 1871? - again not sure No idea why, if it is them , they are listed as DANIELS though loking at 1881 again - John then gives his B/P as Callington, Cornwall... **scratches head** Name: Beatrice Daniels Age: 5 Estimated birth year: abt 1866 Relation: Daughter Father's name: John Mother's name: Grace Gender: Female Where born: Mount Charnes, Cornwall, England Civil parish: Widnes Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Registration district: Prescot Sub-registration district: Farnworth ED, institution, or vessel: 11 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 383 Household Members: Name Age Beatrice Daniels 5 Mount Charnes, Cornwall, Grace Daniels 24 Mount Charnes, Cornwall, Hannah M Daniels 3 Mount Charnes, Cornwall, John Daniels 25 Callington, Cornwall Rose Ann Daniels Under 1 Mo Widnes, Lancashire, ----------------------------------------------- I 1861 there is an Older MR &Mrs Mildren in Callington,also a John Daniele born there 1846...appears to be son of a JANE (but not together)

Well done Ann. I don't see them in 1891 but they're listed as Daniels in 1901 even though all the births are Mildrens on FreeBMD. Rose

hi all, thanks for trying ,i have tried to solve this daniels thing before and given up lol,think they were avoiding the landlord or something lol,have all the later stuff for her just cannot pinpoint a birth so i wondered if anyone knew if she would have to have her birth cert when she married i 1885,or if anyone knew where i could find out if they needed it,thanks again for taking the time to look ,yours Barry

Nobody seems to have mentioned that birth registration was not compulsory until 1876

As she said she was 20 on her marriage cert, then she would have needed her father's permission to marry and so I would think the age is correct. OC

thanks Jim and old crone,that may explain it,take care Barry

From the number of incorrectly named fathers, you would have to think not. Illegitimate children often made up a fathers name for the marriage certificate. My g-g-grandmother and g-g-grandfather told the minister they were 20 and 22 in 1859, when she was 18 and he 20 (but they were 8 and half months pregnant - baby born week after wedding). Then they also told the 1861 census enumerator they were 20 and 22, having aged not at all in nearly two years. Di

Barry, I think you might want to order one of the other children's birth certs to get Grace's maiden name. That might help when tracking down Beatrice because I don't see any births for a Beatrice Pengelly. Registration wasn't compulsory but all the other kids are registered. Births Dec 1867 Mildren Anna Maria St. Austell 5c 126 Rose