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Hi Rose Have pm'ed you Lyndsey

Hi Rose I found the Bessunger family on the 1871 census easily. The head is Theodor which would fit in with Emily’son being called Theodore, but I can’t see who would have married Emily. The sons were Edward aged 6 and Sydney aged 3. In 1881 they would have only been 16 and 13. This is a tough one – I’m stumped! Lyndsey

Here's the Ernest Bissmire in 1901 so he's not yours either: 1901 England Census about Ernest Bissmire Name: Ernest Bissmire Age: 20 Estimated birth year: abt 1881 Relation: Son Father's name: Robert Mother's name: Kate Gender: Male Where born: Islington, London, England Civil parish: Islington Ecclesiastical parish: St Silas Islington County/Island: London Country: England Registration district: Islington Sub-registration district: Barnsbury ED, institution, or vessel: 21 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 195 Household Members: Name Age Arthur Bissmire 12 Christopher Bissmire 8 Ernest Bissmire 20 Fredk R Bissmire 29 Henry Bissmire 14 Horace J Bissmire 18 Kate Bissmire 45 Kate Bissmire 19 Percy Bissmire 3 Robert Bissmire 50 Stanley Bissmire 5 Rose

Hi Rose I'm glad one of us knows what we're doing, thanks for preventing me from going down the wrong road! I shall study the census records for the Besseungers and will let you know what I find out, but it probably won't be tonight as I have an early start tomorrow (just hope I can sleep!). Thanks again Lyndsey

Lyndsey, I don't see Ernest or Bernhard Bessunger on any censuses. Makes me think they are the ones you want. Too much of a coinicidence otherwise. The dates and places fit well too. Here's Emily Bissmire in 1881 so that's not the right family: 1881 England Census about Emily Bissmire Name: Emily Bissmire Age: 31 Estimated birth year: abt 1850 Relation: Wife Spouse's name: Frank G. Gender: Female Where born: Bethnal Green Civil parish: Lambeth County/Island: London Country: England Street address: 30 Kewsford Rd Condition as to marriage: Married Education: Occupation: Tailoress Registration district: Lambeth Sub-registration district: Lambeth Church Second ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Emily Bissmire 31 Frank Bissmire 10 Frank G. Bissmire 31 Rose

I tried to update my message and made a real b.......p of it, sorry, - will have another go... It will take a bit of investigating but I don’t think the Bessunger’s are my lot. Ernest, on the other hand, looks more promising. As Portland Rose has observed on the 1881 census Emily is the mother but there are no details about the father. Following TOR’s tip about Ernest Bissmire I’ve looked on the 1871 census and there is an Emily (married to a Francis Bissmire) who matches the details of the Emily Besemer on the 1881 records. I’m pondering on the different spellings of the surname. Was it a mistake on the part of the enumerator or did they purposely change their name? There is another family with the name Bissmire on the same page on the 1871 census, I suppose he could have got them mixed up. On the other hand the two families maybe related.…. Thanks to everyone who’s been helping me out with this, any suggestions or theories are most welcome! Lyndsey

Birth: Ernest Alfred D Bessunger 1881 Sept Islington 1b 420 Rose

When did the parents marry? There's no father listed in 1881. 1881: Name: Theodore Besemer Age: 10 Estimated birth year: abt 1871 Relation: Son Mother's name: Emily Gender: Male Where born: London, London, Middlesex, England Civil parish: Islington County/Island: London Country: England Street address: 67 Balls Pond Rd Registration district: Islington Sub-registration district: Islington East ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Bernhard Besemer 6 Emily Besemer 28 Theodore Besemer 10 Rose

Sorry Lyndsey I always abbreviate the quarters on my records. Keith already explained what it stands for (thanks Keith)

Lyndsey JAS = July/August/September

Many, many thanks to you both. I really thought I’d come up against a big brick wall! I’m certainly collecting a good variety of mis-spellings of Besemer, they may help me in my search on the census records pre 1871! TOR I’m a bit puzzled by the letters JAS after Ernest’s name – any idea what they could possibly mean? Again many thanks Lyndsey

Lyndsey just had a quick look on Freebmd and came up with this. Ernest Bissmire JAS 1880 Islington 1b 265 Know dates slightly out. Didn't find Theodore or Bernhard T.O.R. ;o))

birth Bernhard Jacob Bessunger 1874 Apr-May-Jun Shoreditch London, Middlesex

Hi Is it possible that three brothers could not have had their births registered? I'm looking for the birth of Theodore Besemer b. 1872 Islington, Bernhard Besemer b.1875 Shoreditch and Ernest Besemer b.1882 Islington. I've tried all of those years and several on either side, also looking under the spelling of Bessemer, but I can't find anything. Any help greatly appreciated. Thanks Lyndsey Sorry for the delay in my reply, I had to pop out and have just found the new replies. It will take a bit of investigating but I don’t think the Bessunger’s are my lot. Ernest, on the other hand, looks more promising. As Rose has pointed out, on the 1881 census Emily is the mother but there are no details about the father. Following TOR’s tip about Ernest Bissmire I’ve looked on the 1871 census and there is an Emily (married to a Francis Bissmire) who matches the details of the Emily Besemer on the 1881 records. I’m pondering on the different spellings of the surname. Was it a mistake on the part of the enumerator or did they purposely change their name? There is another family with the name Bissmire on the same page on the 1871 census, I suppose he could have got them mixed up. On the other hand the twi families maybe related.…. Thanks to everyone who’s been helping me out with this, any suggestions or theories are most welcome! Lyndsey