Genealogy Chat

I'm hoping someone will be able to help me. I'm at a loss how to proceed with my Warwick family tree.I can find no record of my grandfather's birth and the GRO tell me there isn't one, therefore I cannot find the name of his mother. His wife's bible records his birth as 29.6.1866 at 100, Rathbone Street,Canning Town, London. His marriage and death certificates confirm the year and, according to the former, his father's name was Thomas. I've searched all the relevant censuses for father and son to no avail so I have no idea if he had any siblings, neither do my two surviving cousins, one of whom lived with him when young. There are many Thomas Warwicks to be found but without knowing who he married I can't progress. Any ideas anyone? Pat Griffiths nee Warwick.

Patricia What was his Dad's job on his marriage cert? And what did he do? What was the younger Thomas's wife's name? Gerry ;-))

Pat can you give us the names & birthdates of any of his children? Georgina.

This is what you need then... Births Dec 1901 (>99%) WARWICK James Wallis W. Ham 4a 98 Georgina.

Sorry, I'm not used to this. I can't find a birth certificate, that's why I'm asking for help.

Reg just to clarify, I asked Pat above for the names of any children her Grandfather had and she sent me a PM of her fathers name James Wallis Warwick. I told Pat how to reply on her thread so sorry about any confusion. Georgina.

You haven't given your grandfather's first name, only that of his father Thomas Warwick (or are they both called Thomas?) Have you actually seen the bible? I'm surprised that the wife would enter her husband's name and date of birth without also entering her own. Kath. x

What is the name of the person whose birth is recorded as being in 1866? I can't see it in the message....or is it my eyes?? You are aware, I hope, that registration wasn't compulsory until 1875.......... Reg

Apologies to everyone. You''re trying to teach old dog new tricks! I've not been on the ball have I? Here is all my info----Frederick George Warwick, my grandfather was born on 29.6.1866 at 100, Rathbone Street, Canning Town, London.E.16. He was married to Hannah Mudd who was born 24.3.1868/9 at Bidler Street, Canning Town. They married 15.9.1889 at Emmanuel Church at Forest Gate,London. E.7. They had 10 children, Bessy Elizabeth,born 28.9.1890 Frederick George, born15.5.1892 Ada,born 20.3.1894 William Charles born 13.10.1986 Ivy, born 31.8.1988 Thomas Henry. born12.7.1900 James Wallis, born,20.10.1901 My father. Earnest? born, 30.5.1903 Edith, born, 20.9.1905 Hannah,born, 28.4.1907 All this was in their family bible plus lots more. I have seen the bible myself and knew them all at some point and their children etc. My grandfather was employed at John Knight Ltd. of Silvertown. East London, first as a general labourer and later as a foreman, of what is unknown. He was married at Emmanuel Church Forest Gate, East London and his father's name is given as Thomas and he was a labourer of some sort. There is no record of my grandfather's birth. Sorry for the delay in answering. Regards, Pat

Patricia I have sent a message to Gerry, if you want to say anything just post it on here I am sure Gerry will get back to it at sometime or other. Regards Georgina.

Patricia Sometimes the registrations didn't make it to the GRO so it is possible the local office may have a record of it. The only problem is that some local ROs do not issue certs for family history purposes... London boroughs being the worst offenders :( Canning Town comes under West Ham so you may be lucky......Worth a phone call! Chris

Pat It seems that West Ham was in the Essex area in 1881, could this be Frederick with his parents?? 1881 census.... Name: Frederick Warwick Age: 13 Estimated birth year: abt 1868 Relation: Son Father's name: Thomas Mother's name: Hannah Gender: Male Where born: Farnham, Essex, England Civil parish: Farnham County/Island: Essex Country: England Street address: Farnham Green Education: Employment status: View image Occupation: Ag Lab Registration district: Bishop Stortford Sub-registration district: Bishop Stortford ED, institution, or vessel: 1 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Charles Warwick 25 Frederick Warwick 13 Hannah Warwick 52 Hannah Warwick 18 Thomas Warwick 55 Georgina.

So this looks like the 1901 census for the family (Frederick's father Thomas not there) Name: Frederich G Warwick Age: 34 Estimated birth year: abt 1867 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Hannah Gender: Male Where born: West Ham, Essex, England Civil parish: West Ham Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary County/Island: Essex Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Education: Employment status: View image Registration district: West Ham Sub-registration district: Plaistow ED, institution, or vessel: 51 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 353 Household Members: Name Age Frederich G Warwick 34 Fredrich G Warwick 9 Hannah Warwick 33 Ivy Warwick 3 Lizzie Warwick 10 Thomas H Warwick 9 months William C Warwick 4 View Original Record View original image View blank form Save This Record Attach this record to a person in your tree as a source record, or save for later evaluation. Save Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 1576; Folio: 32; Page: 56.

... and in 1891 (ditto) Name: Frederick G Warwick Age: 24 Estimated birth year: abt 1867 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Hannah Gender: Male Where born: West Ham, Essex, England Civil parish: West Ham Ecclesiastical parish: St Gabriel Town: West Ham County/Island: Essex Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Education: Employment status: View image Registration district: West Ham Sub-registration district: West Ham ED, institution, or vessel: 43 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Bessie E Warwick 6/12 Frederick G Warwick 24 Hannah Warwick 22

-in 1881 (before Frederick's marriage) there are only 3 such Warwicks in Essex - and only one with a father Thomas - this one (but is Farnham anywhere near West Ham? and is this Frederick elsewhere on the 1891 census?) Name: Frederick Warwick Age: 13 Estimated birth year: abt 1868 Relation: Son Father's name: Thomas Mother's name: Hannah Gender: Male Where born: Farnham, Essex, England Civil parish: Farnham County/Island: Essex Country: England Street address: Farnham Green Education: Employment status: View image Occupation: Ag Lab Registration district: Bishop Stortford Sub-registration district: Bishop Stortford ED, institution, or vessel: 1 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Charles Warwick 25 Frederick Warwick 13 Hannah Warwick 52 Hannah Warwick 18 Thomas Warwick 55 Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 1406; Folio: 9; Page: 12; Line: ; GSU roll: 1341342.

Umm, sorry, both Frederick G born West Ham and Fred G born Farnham are on the 1891 census... Patricia, have you found Frederick in 1881 at all?

Gosh. you've all been very busy! Well now, those Farnham Warwicks keep cropping up and yet his place of birth is always given as West Ham in the later censuses. I suppose it was possible that Thomas moved from Farnham and was in West Ham at the time of the birth and then moved back, while Frederick moved back to London later. Does that sound feasible? How can one be sure? I have investigated those at Farnham in the past and they all seemed to stay in that area as far as I could tell. However Frederick cannot be found in the 1871 census for West Ham so maybe that's what happened. I suppose the next move must be to West Ham RO to try to find the birth record and if I can't I'll have to give up. I'm very grateful to you all and I hope that if anyone does come up with anything they'll be kind enough tp contact me again. Incidentally I know about West Ham being part of Essex. I lived there myself until three years ago, when we moved to Zuffolk at the age of seventy-seven. Not a good move as far as Family Trees are concerned! Regards to all, Pat.

Pat if that is your Thomas in Bishop Stortford on the 1881 census then this is probably his marriage & a possible birth for Frederick..... Marriages Dec 1849 (>99%) Brown John Bps. Stortford 6 945 Chapman Sarah Bp's Stortford 6 945 Parker Joseph Bishops Stortford 6 945 >>>>Warwick Thomas B'p Stortford 6 945 >>>>White Hannah Bishops Stortford 6 945 Births Mar 1868 (>99%) Warwick Frederick B Stortford 3a 258 Georgina.