Genealogy Chat

Hi I am trying to go back further with Scottish research. If I do not know a maiden name, would I be better ordering her marriage certificate, or one of the children's births? Will the marriage give me as much info as the English certs? Both are pre 1855. Never used the site before, so which record would help me more? Thanks Simone x

Pre-1855 is very hit and miss. Some don't have any information, except the name of the person, the informant and witnesses if its a marriage. Others will tell you their life history. Post 1855 is much better. Marriage certs show both sets of parents, plus mothers maiden name (if I remember right) so they help enormously. Have a look on the IGI before you order anything. They have a lot of the Scottish parish records.

On her death cert you will get parents names. update..just read your thread again, you will be able to view some images on there, you dont have to order certs. They are £10? each but if you view the image it works out at just over £1 once you have the right person. Marion

Thanks Marion and Orangeblossom So do you think that if I find them on the 1851 census sor Scotland I would be better ordering a birth cert of a sibling that may be there born after 1855 rather than my John Bruce born c 1845 in Lanarkshire, Glasgow- and Engineer. His marriage in Liverpool states father James ,Engineer Had a look for birth for him on Igi but couldn't see one- Think his parents were James (Engineer)and Grace from looking at scottish census on Ancestry Simone x

Ancestry has 1851 and 1861 on there. If you want a lookup, just let me know everything you know at the moment. There are 61 John Bruces born c1845 in 1851 alone. Just seen your update. I don't think there were any children born after 1855 as Grace and Margaret are living with their Uncle in 1861. I haven't checked properly, but it implies the parents are dead - there are no younger children with them.

Hi Simone I used Scotlands People for the first time this week. I paid £6 for 30 credtits. Some things cost 1 credit and others 5. For my £6 I got 2 marriage entries, an 1871 census household (cost 1 credit for search and 5 credits for page) and 1881 census household. I also wasted a few searching for people who weren't the right ones. The 1866 marriage details were very useful with names, places of residence, where marriage took place (in the wife's home), names of both sets of parents including maiden names, occupations, ages and witnesses. The 1827 marriage however was a scan of the parish register with only the couples names and a place after bride's names as presumably she was from a different parish. When you click on view a box does come up with amount of credits you will use and you can choose to go ahead or not. Hope this helps Clare

Grace has a record.... GRACE BRUCE Birth: 26 APR 1841 Christening: 27 JUN 1841 Rutherglen, Lanark, Scotland Parents: Father: JAMES BRUCE Mother: GRACE POLLOCK as do David and Margaret: DAVID BRUCE Birth: 21 JUL 1836 Christening: 14 AUG 1836 Rutherglen, Lanark, Scotland MARGARET BRUCE Christening: 27 JAN 1839 Rutherglen, Lanark, Scotland There's an Andrew too.. ANDREW BRUCE Birth: 23 MAR 1851 Christening: 20 APR 1851 Old Monkland, Lanark, Scotland

Thank you Orangeblosson and Clare for your advice- as a first timer in Scotland you are really helpful for me :) Orangeblossom - where have you found David and Margaret with their uncle and aunt? Is it still in Scotland? I wonder this entry is my John then and explains how he ended up in Liverpool? Although d.o.b is given as 1852 for this entry. RG9 2667 106 14 Name Age John Bruce 9 -Nephew Alexander Dault 4 Amelia Dault 10 Elizabeth Dault 34 Elizabeth Dault 12 Johanna Dault 8 John Dault 33 I would be grateful if you could look at this image for me and see if you think the family are actually Dault or something else- The reason I ask is because John's son, also called John b1877in Liverpool, married in 1899 and a witness at the wedding is William Donnell. When I first saw the image I thought the Dault entry actually said Donnel, but the more I look I'm not sure. If it is Donnel it obviously may mean that this John age 9 in 1852 could be the right one. Here is John b 1877, after marriage in 1901 Liverpool RG Name Age Florence Bruce 19 John Bruce 23 - Labourer W McDonald 20 Lodger Just for information here is the original John B C 1845 I was looking for, in 1871 in Liverpool- he married Jane Wilson in 1866 RG10 3757 56 42 Name Age Jane Bruce 24 John Bruce 36 Glasgow, Scotland, Engineer Margaret J Bruce 5 months Robert Welson 21 1881- RG11 3681 10 14 - daughter Margaret J died in 1871 Name Age Jane Bruce 34 John Bruce 36 Lanark, Scotland - Engine Fitter John Bruce 4 Thanks for this Simone x

1861 Agnes Munro abt 1799 Blantyre, Lanark Head Robert Munro abt 1834 Old Monkland, Lanark Stepson Archibald Bruce abt 1837 Blantyre, Lanark Nephew Margaret Bruce abt 1841 Blantyre, Lanark Niece Grace Bruce abt 1848 Blantyre, Lanark Niece Mathew Pollock abt 1837 Blantyre, Lanark Visitor living Old Monkland Lanarkshire 1851 Agness Munro 50 Margaret Munro 23 Robert Munro 17 Archd Bruce 16 Janet Lawson 17 1841 James Bruce abt 1816 Lanarkshire Grace Bruce abt 1816 Lanarkshire James Bruce abt 1833 Lanarkshire Archibacd Bruce abt 1835 Lanarkshire David Bruce abt 1837 Lanarkshire Margt Bruce abt 1839 Lanarkshire Grace Bruce abt 1840 Lanarkshire Rutherglen Lanarkshire

Oh thanks so much for that Orangeblossom :) Did you manage to look at the census image I mentioned earlier, what do you think it says? Thanks Simone x

I don't think it is Donnell - looks more like Doull. I had a look in 1871, and there is a John B living with the family - down as 'brother in law' I would say he's the John Bruce from 1861.

Thanks for that Orangeblossom! You've given me loads to go on now. I'll get it all together, do some more searches, sort it and key it, and see where I go from there. Thanks agian for everything Simone x

I thought you might like to know if they lived after 1855 there deaths will be on there with parents names on it, put year of birth in and add about 1/ 2 yrs on as sometimes age wrong

Thanks for that Val, will have a go! Fingers crossed! Simone x