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How Do You Link A Birth To A Marriage?
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Caz | Report | 30 Jan 2007 17:46 |
Can anyone give me any tips on how to link a birth to a marriage?I am trying to trace my great grandfather, we have his death certificate and the certificates of his marriages but no fathers name is given. To complicate things several babies of the same name were born in the year we estimate he would have been born. How can we tell which of these is him when we have no mothers' name, fathers' name or even an idea of where he was born? Carol I just wanted to let everyone know that we have found the elusive Mr. Rose and to say thank you to everyone who gave me their help and suggestions. Thank you. Carol |
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Rachel | Report | 30 Jan 2007 17:50 |
might the census help? you'd need to know an area he was born in or siblings names though |
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Georgina | Report | 30 Jan 2007 17:51 |
Carol was he in either of the wars you may be able to trace his service records? Georgina. |
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Glen In Tinsel Knickers | Report | 30 Jan 2007 17:58 |
Did he leave a will,(possible names of siblings might be quoted) Witness names on marriage certs might help, the location/address at the time of the marriage might help with a census return for either him or other family members. Baptism records might also help. What sort of date are you talking about. |
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Irene | Report | 30 Jan 2007 19:05 |
if you give his name and the info you have perhaps someone can find a link for you. Witnesses at the wedding or finding him in the census may help. Irene |
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Caz | Report | 30 Jan 2007 20:09 |
Thanks everyone for your interest. Right to start with his name was Frederick William Rose we estimate his birth to have been around the Sept quarter of 1878. We base this estimation on his age at the time of his marriages and at the time of his death. His first marriage took place in Dec 1898 when he was aged 20 and his death took place in June 1907 when he was aged 28. I think I have narrowed his birth down to one possible which is in the Sept quarter 1878 Sheffield 9c 559 but I have no idea how to tell if this certificate is the right one when it arrives. To further complicate things no fathers name is given on the marriage certs and his address is just the name of the village so we have no idea who his parents were or if he was even born in Yorkshire. If anyone could offer any assistance we would be very grateful. Carol |
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Rachel | Report | 30 Jan 2007 20:26 |
what was the wifes name, age and fathers name / job on the marriage cert |
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Rachel | Report | 31 Jan 2007 18:23 |
Had a reply last night. Quote:- Hi thanks for your interest. There is no fathers'' name given on the marriage cert for Frederick William Rose he was aged 20 his job was given as miner. The bride was Ada Johnson aged 19 her fathers name was Fred Johnson occupation joiner. The marriage was witnessed by Fred Johnson and Gertrude Johnson who I presume was the brides'' mother. I would be very grateful for any advice you could give. Regards Carol |
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Rachel | Report | 31 Jan 2007 18:44 |
Gertrude and Fred on 1901 census together only fives 1 couple as follows (17 where Gertrude is daughter to a Frederick) Name: Fredk L Johnson Age: 33 Estimated birth year: abt 1868 Where born: Caistor, Lincolnshire, England Relation: Head Occupation: Foreman Engine Fitter Spouse's name: Gertrude A Age: 35 Estimated birth year: abt 1866 Where born: Grimsby, Lincolnshire, England Child Name: Dorothy Johnson Age: 6 Estimated birth year: abt 1895 Relation: Daughter Where born: Grimsby, Lincolnshire, England Living:- Civil parish: Clee Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints Town: Grimsby County/Island: Lincolnshire Country: England |
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Rachel | Report | 31 Jan 2007 18:54 |
The marriage for the above couple Marriages Sep 1893 Johnson Frederick Lionel Caistor 7a 1129 Moody Gertrude Annie Caistor 7a 1129 Paul Arthur Leopold Caistor 7a 1129 Reeves Eliza Ann Caistor 7a 1129 Name: Frederick Lionel Johnson Year of Registration: 1868 Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun District: Caistor County: Lincolnshire Volume: 7a Page: 642 |
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Rachel | Report | 31 Jan 2007 19:11 |
Sorry Carol, I can't see a way to like this couple to Ada, nor can I see any Frederick / William and Ada Rose anywhere on the 1901. I've tried various spellings, wildcards and soundexes with no luck sorry |
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MaryfromItaly | Report | 31 Jan 2007 19:15 |
Marriage of Frederick and Ada: Marriages Dec 1898 (>99%) Johnson Ada Doncaster 9c 1383 Rose Frederick William Doncaster 9c 1383 Is this Ada's death? Deaths Mar 1901 (>99%) Rose Ada 20 Doncaster 9c 476 |
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MaryfromItaly | Report | 31 Jan 2007 19:31 |
Frederick's remarriage? Marriages Sep 1904 (>99%) Gwatkin Alice Doncaster 9c 1147 Rose Frederick William Doncaster 9c 1147 Sefton Frederick William Doncaster 9c 1147 Sefton Martha Doncaster 9c 1147 Carol, do you know if Fred and Ada had any children? That would help us to find him in 1901. So far I haven't found a widowed Frederick Rose born around the right date. |
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MaryfromItaly | Report | 31 Jan 2007 19:39 |
This might be him in 1901: 1901 England Census about Frederick Rode Name: Frederick Rode Age: 22 Estimated birth year: abt 1879 Relation: Boarder Gender: Male Where born: Hogsthorpe, Lincolnshire, England Civil parish: Doncaster Ecclesiastical parish: Hexthorpe St Jude County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Registration district: Doncaster Sub-registration district: Doncaster ED, institution, or vessel: 23 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 113 Household Members: Name Age Daniel Cart 53 Hannah S Cart 27 Frederick Rode 22 The transcription's wrong - his surname clearly reads Rose on the image. However, he's shown as single, and his occupation looks like carp. joiner. |
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MaryfromItaly | Report | 31 Jan 2007 20:07 |
A Frederick W Rose (parents Francis and Eliza) and an Ada Johnson (parents Frederick and Mary Ann) both lived in Attercliffe cum Darnall, near Sheffield. However, that Frederick's shown as single in 1901, and his occupation in 1891 and 1901 is hatter's assistant, which is very different from a miner, so I assume this is the wrong person. |
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MaryfromItaly | Report | 31 Jan 2007 20:25 |
This looks like a good bet for Ada - her father Fred's a carpenter, and she has a sister called Gertrude: 1891 England Census about Ada Johnson Name: Ada Johnson Age: 9 Estimated birth year: abt 1882 Relation: Daughter Father's name: Fred Mother's name: Emily Gender: Female Where born: Melton, Yorkshire, England Civil parish: Handsworth Ecclesiastical parish: Woodhouse Town: Woodhouse County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Registration district: Sheffield Sub-registration district: Handsworth ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Ada Johnson 9 Addie Johnson 2 Emily Johnson 40 Fred Johnson 43 George Johnson 17 Gertrude Johnson 6 |