Genealogy Chat

LOL,,,Cynthia,,,,,,lol...

[coughs politely] did you realise that this post was dated 2007?


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Cx.

deaths at sea are on the Marine registers .I got the ref for my grandfather lost overboard in 1911 from the FRC at islington in a separate section to the England and wales deaths,

You order from the GRO as usual but specfy the type of death record and you get a death cert called a record of entry from the Marine Registers
Look in marine deaths on Find My Past

Hi Liz,

There was a section on deaths at sea in the Family Records Office in London, this office has now closed so don't know where it would be now.

Jenny

Have you tried contacting the Family Records Centre either at Kew or Mydleton Street. They apparently have lists of people who are lost at sea - maybe worth while giving them a call or emailing them, they usually respond quite quickly. Jenny

Thanks for all your replies. I know the exact date and location etc. of my g.gran's brother death at sea, he's not the problem only that I can't find a record of a death certificate and wondered if this was normal for someone lost at sea. I just wondered if my g.gran's first husband also died at sea and perhaps that is why I can't find a death certificate for him, however, I can't find him on any of the lists of fishermen/trawlermen who died at sea. It is slightly complicated in that I don't want to use any names because one contact I have is related to my g.gran's first family and I know she doesn't like to share her family info with people she has not checked out, which is fine. The problem is I can't find any details of my g.gran's 2nd marriage which I need to trace my g.grandad's background and I thought it might help if I knew when her first husband died. I know all about my g.gran and her parents, etc. which is when I found out she had had 2 husbands and my contact confirmed this because, as I say she is descended from the first family. I've tried all sites mentioned by you all, so I am stuck now. I can't find either a birth, marriage or death for my gt.grandfather. All I know is that he was still alive in 1928 as he is the person who notified my g.gran's death. I know the address in Hull where they were living at the time, which is where they seemed to have lived for quite a few years. I think I'll have to take a trip to E.Yorks to see if there are any clues up there.

thanks Ann, just couldn't think what it was, Karen

Karen, the site is now called: http://www.findmypast*com

try looking on the site that used to be 1827online(can't remember new name). my great uncle died when he jumped overboard in 1922 of the coast of Africa and i got the registration detail from that site and then sent for the cert . Karen

I'm not sure that there is a death cert unless there is an identified body. I think you were reported lost at sea/missing and then there was a time limit before you could be assumed to be dead (7 years?) Possibly the widow got some sort of assistance, which she would have lost had she actually remarried after the time period? How much later on did you look for a marriage? Jay

When looking through the burial records for Lymne and Hythe in Kent there are quite a few burials of unidentified bodies from shipwrecks on the Goodwin Sands. If they were UK citizens I don't know how their deaths would be recorded unless they had property and were declared legally dead by a Coroner?

Elizabeth For which years have you viewed the marriage record images on Ancestry? Reg

I googled + came across a site for Hull fishermen who died at sea....I am presuming he died in that area. Just Google Lost fishermen of Hull.there is a data base + a few other sites. Good luck Ann

Does anyone know where deaths at sea (eg trawlermen) would be registered. I know my g.gran's brother died at sea and got all his details from a list compiled by a man in Hull, but I cannot find anything on BMD or Ancestry. I have his full name and the date, (Feb 1906) name of trawler and how he died, but nothing shows up on the normal records. I'm interested because his dad was also a trawlerman and just seems to have vanished into thin air and a few years later his widow(?) my g.gran took up with another man and produced my gran. I cannot find their marriage anwhere. I can see that for census purposes they would say they were husband and wife, but when she died in 1928, he still put himself down as husband, so I guess they did marry. Any ideas anyone? I've searched IGI, FreeBMD and Ancestry.