Genealogy Chat

Hi I have a Patrick Joyce born c1829 Ireland married to Ann Burns c1830 Ireland. I cant find a marriage for them in England ,so I think they were married in Ireland about age 20 and came to England Living and raising their family in Glossop Derbyshire. My problem is that these are the first Irish ancestors I have in my family and I'm totally green as to ,how to find their origin and parents etc.Can any one tell me where I should start as I have no county of birth except IRELAND. Thanks Simon

Hello again Simon Just adding a reply so I can find this when I return in a couple of hours, OK! :-) Babz

Hello again Simon... I see your being inundated with replies!! ;-) Mention Ireland most run for the hills! The IGI have records for Ireland, seing as you want pre 1837 I think it will be ideal for you. Some limitations when searching but you'll soon get the hang of it. Just a tip... they always ask for a name to be entered... I place an asterick! seems to get round it. http://www.familysearch.org ...or GOOGLE for IGI (INTERNATIONAL GENEALOGICAL INDEX) its the 'family search' site you want. Also there was a very helpful thread put up by someone re; Ireland/ certificates. If you put Ireland in the little search box (above all the thread titles) there are some tips from fellow GR members that will assist you. I don't have ancestors from Ireland, yet, so I'm green as well. I did have a look for Patrick Joyce on IGI... quite a few are there. Good Luck Simon. Babz '-)

If they married around 1850 and were NOT catholic they should be on the Irish BMD Index (see my thread on this on the board I'll nudge it up) A lot of the marriages for this time scale are on the IGI on the familysrach website ~ have you tried there??? Teresa

Hi Simon, Only one thats near that I can find is: LDC result for 1881 censusL Patrick Joyce: Head - 50 - Ireland Ann Joyce: Wife - 45 - Ireland Agnes Joyce: Daug. - 18 - Ireland Jane Joyce: Daug. - 16 - Ireland Francis Joyce: Son. - 14 -Ireland Margaret Joyce: Daug. 10 - Old Swan Lancs. Mary Joyce: Daug. - 1 - Old Swan Lanc. Census place West Derby. regards derek

Simon, Imputed partricks info on 1871 census on ancestry.co.uk Patrick Joyce - spouse Ann Born c1829 Derbyshire is top of list? I am not member of Ancestry (wont pay for anything, scottish)! I use Ancestry to find nearest match(s) then when I go to LDS centre (Weekly) I view and print images for free! If you don't get any further by next Tuesday I can have a look, can also download any info to memory stick if you want. regards Derek PS Children on my last post are also at top of their lists both Irish & English.

Thanks to you all. I do subscribe to ancestry and have been able to find the decendats of Patrick and Ann ok. But I would like to find a little about their ancestors. I have also checked the IGI and cant see any matches for a marriage for them. Being as their daughter Mary b 1858 Glossop was baptised in Catholic church, I assume Patrick and Ann were Catholic too. I have to go to work now ,so thanks again to you all cheers Simon

You MUST find a county of origin somehow otherwise you are wasting your time. Both Joyce and Burns are very common names in Ireland. They may not be as common as O'Neill but I have come across these names in many counties of Ireland. There are very few Irish people on the IGI pre 1850ish compared to the population for the time. Around 1830 the poulation was about 8 to 10 million and mainly Catholic, as opposed to todays population which is still hovering around 4 million but creeping up. I will bring up 2 other threads which may help. To get back beyond 1750 in Ireland will be almost impossible anyway, as the Catholic Registers are just not there. Most Catholic Registers did not start until around 1800+. Catholic Emancipation Act was 1829 and up to then it was illegal for any member of the UK including Ireland to be baptised/married in an RC church but there was much leniency from 1750ish onwards and Ireland has always been a law unto its own! So it is imperative you find a county at the very least, and to be quite honest, if you have not got a Townland then the chances of finding them are very slim. If you have access to ancestry then look at ALL the Census these folk are on, as one of the census may give you more info. For one of my ancestors I had to wait for the 1901 Census which gave me the Townland as well as the County. I have always been lucky to have the County at least on Census. I take it you have looked at the original Census, not just the typed version? Janet