Genealogy Chat

hi i need some help trying to find out when william archer married sarah butcher they were both born in deptford in 1841 and are both in the 1861 cencus could do with some fresh eyes cheers john

need an idea of where ?...or are youthinking Deptford ? did they have children ?....when was oldest born ? Have you tried freebmd.org ?

Where have you looked so far? 1861? William Archer abt 1843 Deptford, Kent, England Head Deptford St Paul Kent Sarah Archer abt 1841 Deptford, Kent, England Wife Deptford St Paul Kent

they have no children in 1861 she is 20 he is 18 if that helps Living in Greenwich, St Paul Deptford

hi first child was born 1863 in deptford they had about eight kids in all they were both born in deptford so the cencus says have tried some sites but can not find any record of marriage

Which sites have you tried? How do you know her maiden name?

i got her maiden name from the bith certs from the kids have tried ancestry and freebmd sites

as the years for 1859/60/62 are not coompletly transcribed on freebmd it might be worth checking the actual images for the missing 'bits'..........of course there is always the possibility they never married or got married years later !

Hiya John, I have looked in the Marriage Indexes original images and the only ones with a London connection are these: 1860 Jan/feb/mar - William Markall Archer - Stepney 1860 Apr/May/Jun - William Archer - Bethnal Green 1860 Apr/May/Jun - William Archer - Hackney 1862 July/Aug/Sept - William Holmes Archer - Strand 1862 Oct/Nov/Dec - William Archer - Westminster 1863 Jul/Aug/Sept - William Archer - Strand 1863 Jul/Aug/Sept - William Archer - Islington They would have been married before they had children in those days, surely. Stella X Just noticed there is a maiden name for Sarah, I will try and cross reference it for you later.

hi they were catholic so they should have been married is there away of getting hold of the church records i am also having trouble getting his birth cert as he could be one of two people born around this time

Marriages: Read this John....... Asserted ages can be misleading or the certificates may be merely described a party as of 'full age' or as a 'minor'. Until raised to 16 in 1929, 12 was the minimum age at which a girl could marry, and 14 for a boy. Up to 1969 parental consent was necessary until a minor attained 21, since when it has been 18. An underage couple marrying against the parents wishes might add on a few years to make them full adults. It might be worth looking for a marriage from 1855 in your case. I can look for you later when my children are in bed!!!!! Stella X

North West Kent Family History Society covers Deptford and have lists of churches of all denominations and will tell you where the records are www.nwkfhs.org.uk regards June

John I don't know if this will help but I have found your William Archer on the 1881 census: William Archer born abt 1841 Head Spouse Sarah Born Deptford Kent Civil Parish Rotherhithe County London Country England Street Address 29 Renforth Street Occupation Sewersman Drainage Serv Reg District St Olave Southwark Sub Reg District Rotherhithe Ed institution or vessel 16a Household members Charles age 2 George 5 Harriet 9 Harry 11 James 16 John 18 Sarah 39 William 40 William 13 Maybe the Parish you need to look into is Rotherhithe or St Olave Southwark, never looked through Parish records so I wouldn't know. - Stella X

thankyou stella yes that is them have traced them through the census but have trouble finding william archers father all i have is possible his father was also william but without a birth cert or a marriage cets i am stuck regards john