Genealogy Chat

Can someone tell me how do i go about finding people born before 1800's as births start from 1837 and census later. I am wanting to find parents and siblings if any of James Mummery dob abt 1799 born Harwich, Essex And his wife Mary mummery do not know her maiden name dob abt 1803/6. Thanks, Denise.

The only three James Mummery baptisms that are showing for around this time on the LDS Site were born in Kent.See; www.familysearch.org Regards William Russell Jones Cefn Mawr Wrexham.

In the 1841 Census they are in Harwich and shows James as not being born in the county. In 1851 the family are in Grimsby and he gives his birth place as Sheerness, Kent. His wife Mary is said to be born Brighlingsea, Essex. James senior is definitely NOT in the Harwich Parish register 1878-1800, I have just checked. Jennifer

Thankyou for your time, I am just at a dead end now, i don't really know how to go on from here, don't know where to look. Can someone give me any ideas please??? Thanks Denise

You need to check the parish registers for their births as given on the 1851 census... if you are lucky you may find they did not move too much as a family . you may find marriages of parents and their birth in the same parish. If you are unlucky and they moved around alot tas a family then you will be in for lots of time consuming work ! Alice

Do you think this was a second marriage - the Godfery children are living with them in 1841 - Martha is still there in 1861 listed as daughter? something wrong with birthdates though. Alice

For general searches pre 1837, save the IGI/LDS site to your favourites. This can be found in your search engine, its a Jehovah's Witness site. BUT it's not always accurate. Remember the census reports too. Even if you have an ancestor born before 1837, they may be on the 1841, 1851, etc up until their death. Ancestry has census access if you're a member, and you can have a free trial period. Register your surnames with curious fox, as its free.

1841 census for reference View Record Name Estimated birth year Birthplace Civil parish County/Island View Image View Record Edgar Godfrey abt 1833 Essex, England St Nicholas Essex View Record George Godfrey abt 1830 Essex, England St Nicholas Essex View Record John Godfrey abt 1826 Essex, England St Nicholas Essex View Record Martha Godfrey abt 1836 Essex, England St Nicholas Essex View Record Henry Mummery abt 1829 Essex, England St Nicholas Essex View Record James Mummery abt 1799 St Nicholas Essex View Record James Mummery abt 1840 Essex, England St Nicholas Essex View Record Mary Mummery abt 1806 Essex, England St Nicholas Essex View Record Nathan Mummery abt 1831 Essex, England St Nicholas Essex View Record Sarah Mummery abt 1826 Essex, England St Nicholas Essex James senior is a Mariner. The Godfrey children are bracketed together ....... could they be staying with the Mummerys, ie some sort of relation?? - - - - - 1851 census about James Mummery Name: James Mummery Age: 52 Estimated birth year: abt 1799 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Mary Gender: Male Where born: Sheerness, Kent, England Civil parish: Great Grimsby Town: Great Grimsby County/Island: Lincolnshire Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Disability: View image Registration district: Caistor Sub-registration district: Great Grimsby ED, institution, or vessel: 4h Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 70 Household Members: Name Age James Mummery 52 Seaman James Mummery 10 Martha G Mummery 13 Mary Mummery 48 Nathan Mummery 20 Seaman For both James senior and Nathan Civil Service was written in a different hand after Seamna and then crossed out.

Martha Godfrey regains her name in 1861 when she is listed with Mary Mummery as daughter, age 23, b. ca 1838, Brightlingsea, Essex. Could this be her birth?? about Martha Godfrey Name: Martha Godfrey Year of Registration: 1839 Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec District: Edmonton County: Essex, Hertfordshire, Middlesex Volume: 3 Page: 108 (click to see others on page) If so, you could apply for her birth certificate and see who her parents are!! Sylvia

Just to give you a few more things to consider, I think Alice is right and this is a second marriage Sarah, Henry and Nathan being the children of James’s first marriage, The GODFREY children being from Mary’s previous marriage and the James MUMMERY aged one being the son of this second marriage, this would explain why he is listed after the GODFREY children. The reason I think this is the case; There was another son James born 5th December 1829, bap. 29 June 1830 who may have died as he does not show up in the census. Nathan was born 29th August 1831 and bap. 5th July 1837. There was another daughter Catherine born 1st June 1839, bap. 1st June 1839, obviously not expected to survive as she was baptised at birth, see birth and death registration references below. Note also the death reference for Mary Ann MUMMERY the same quarter as Catherine, most likely the first wife, as the parents are James and Mary Ann in the Prs. Birth Name: Catherine Mummery Year of Registration: 1839 Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun District: Tendring County: Essex Volume: 12 Page: 245 Deaths Name: Catherine Mummery Year of Registration: 1839 Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun District: Tendring County: Essex Volume: 12 Page: 190 Name: Mary Ann Mummery Year of Registration: 1839 Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun District: Tendring County: Essex Volume: 12 Page: 190 The dates of birth and baptisms are from the actual Parish Register, not a transcription, unfortunately I do not have the marriage registers and only have the burial registers up to 1812. Jennifer

I was told to look through the Parish Records of the area they were Born or Married etc.

Buy the birth certificate of the child born after 1837 to get both parents names.

Thankyou everyone for your help, it didn't even occure to me that the Godfrey children could have been from a previous marriage..... From Denise