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The 1818 one isn't 'our' James... 1871 James Sherwood abt 1818 Market Weighton, Yorkshire, England Head Londesborough Yorkshire this one is >> James Sherwood abt 1821 Inard, Ireland Head Market Weighton Yorkshire

Just out of interest, this is from the IGI also. It gives the ages of Richard and Ann when they married RICHARD MCGINTY Male Family -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s): Birth: Christening: Death: Burial: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marriages: Spouse: ANNE KIRBY JOHNSON Family Marriage: 28 JAN 1878 Market Weighton, Yorkshire, England Husband Age at Marriage: 18 Wife Age at Marriage: 17 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Messages: Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.

Sarah, I've not done much on that side of my tree, but I have Sherwoods in my family who I understand to have originated from Ireland! I can't see an immediate connection, but PM me and we can maybe have a chat about it! Mandy

From the IGI JAMES SHERWOOD Male -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s): Birth: Christening: 29 JAN 1818 Market Weighton, Yorkshire, England Death: Burial: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Parents: Father: JOHN SHERWOOD Family Mother: SARAH

Ah, well done, Tracey. So, we pretty much have everything on Jane - it's just the hubby thing that needs sorting out LOL. Very strange how John McGinty turns into James McGinnessy - but as someone said in a previous post, maybe Jane gave the information and they put James under her surname. Not unknown of - I have an ancestor (surname Ingles) who left his wife and took all the children with him and was living with a woman with surname Johnson - on the census they were all given the surname Johnson for some reason! Well now - that would mean that James McGinnessy was not a McGinnessy but something else. Going round in circles a bit - but I think you are right, Sarah - getting Jane's marriage certs will clarify things hopefully. Yes, if she was honest she should have put down any former married names, plus her maiden name on her marriage cert to James Shearwood. Good luck - hope you solve it all - will no doubt get your 2007 off to a good start! Athena

Got her first marriage... Marriages Sep 1843 CURLEY Jane McGINTY John Isle of Wight 8 358 The relationship shown is that to the head of the house (the lodging house keeper). Both are shown as married, though in fairness they could be brother and sister but I doubt it. His occupation is Pensioner - hers is Pensioners Wife. How about this lot from 1841?! Thomas Curley abt 1781 Not in County Carisbrooke Hampshire (Labourer) Sarah Curley abt 1796 Not in County Carisbrooke Hampshire Mary Curley abt 1816 Not in County Carisbrooke Hampshire Charlotte Curley abt 1821 Hampshire, England Carisbrooke Hampshire Amelia Curley abt 1826 Hampshire, England Carisbrooke Hampshire Henry Curley abt 1827 Hampshire, England Carisbrooke Hampshire >> Jane Curley abt 1829 Hampshire, England Carisbrooke Hampshire Sophia Curley abt 1830 Hampshire, England Carisbrooke Hampshire Emily Curley abt 1834 Hampshire, England Carisbrooke Hampshire William Curley abt 1836 Hampshire, England Carisbrooke Hampshire John Henry Curley abt 1838 Hampshire, England Carisbrooke Hampshire Comes under Isle of Wight. (Ages are rounded down. No relationships are given) Thomas was born in Buckinghamshire.

just a quick one, could jane and John have been brother and sister or father and daughter?. they are all shown as lodgers but even if they were lodgers would it show them as married/father/daughter? or is it just their relationship to the head of the household?

I think Jane's marriage cert to James Sherwood would be a good place to start. Would this show if she was married before? If Jane did marry twice then James Sherwood could have been born in 1815 and died aged 74 in 1889 as James Maggensey would be another person altogether. All the information does tie in and does all sound like it fits. Where does John come into it? Do you have a surname for him Tracey. Ps In case I forget when I log off. Thank you all so much for your help, you could have just helped solve a big mystery!!!

Athena - it was in 1851. John McGinty abt 1808 Ireland Lodger Howden Yorkshire Jane McGinty abt 1825 Isle of Wight, Newport Lodger Howden Yorkshire John McGinty abt 1845 Isle of Wight, Newport Lodger Howden Yorkshire Joseph McGinty abt 1850 Beverley, Yorkshire, England Lodger Howden Yorkshire Her age is pretty much constant throughout the censuses. 1861 Jane Magginsey abt 1827 Isle of Wight, Newport Lodger Market Weighton Yorkshire 1871 Jane Sherwood abt 1826 Newport, Hampshire, England Wife Market Weighton Yorkshire 1881 Jane Sherwood abt 1828 Newport I W, Hampshire, England Head Market Weighton and Arras Yorkshire 1891 Jane Sherwood abt 1825 Newport, Isle of Man, Isle of Man Head Market Weighton Yorkshire 1901 Jane Sherwood abt 1826 Isle of Wight, Newport Mother-in-law Worksop Nottinghamshire

Tracey - where did you find the info about Jane being married to a John? Sarah - Going back to the possible two James' theory - if the death entry you found is your James Sherwood aged 74, then that would give him a birthyear of approx 1815. The James McGinty/McGinnessy gives birth year of abt 1828. Quite a bit of a difference - again, adds weight to this theory of two different men. Hope I'm not leading you on a wild goose chase but if this were my ancestor, this is the route I'd be taking, looking for certs to either prove/disprove the various theories until the only the truth is left. Athena

Jane was married to John before she married James Sherwood. Could be in 1861, that Jane gave the details, so when asked her surname said McGinty which was taken to mean that was the rest of the family's too. If you get the marriage cert, it should confirm how many times she was married. I have been unable to find any of the birth certs for the John, Joseph, Richard or Sarah :(

I think you could have a valid point there Athena. Tracey found a census showing Jane and James Magginsey and my Richard as their son. If Jane and James M were already married why would she marry him again in 1866 when he changed his name to Sherwood? Does that make sense? lol I think you are right with the two James' that would then crack the Mcginty to Sherwood name change!!!!

Here's another thought to ponder over - not trying to confuse matters but just trying to cover all possibilities. What if there were TWO James'? The first one, James McGinty may have died after 1861 and Jane may have taken up with James Shearwood and married him in 1866. Sarah - it might be useful to get some of the birth certs if you can, to clarify father's names and piece it all together that way.

It could be. I think Jane is listed as married in 1881, but widowed in 1891.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Deaths Dec 1889 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sherwood James 74 Pocklington 9d 58 Could this be James?

Hi I think Athena has hit the nail on the head. What she says makes sense, my gt grans first husband (Charles Harvey) died 1 year before my gran was born. My Gt Gran went to live with George Beech (they never married.)although they lived as husband and wife. My Gran was their child, but on her birth certificate no father is named. On her marriage certificate her maiden name is Harvey.But on my mothers birth certifcate its Beech. So he actually used is his mothers name when he married but then reverted to his fathers name after. Cheryl

Jane stays as Sherwood to 1901. Here she is with her daughter and son in law: Richard Dandy 36 Elizabeth Dandy 33 Jane Sherwood 75 James appears to have died between 1871 and 1881, though I can't find a death for him!

I think Athena may be right. Still can't work out the name change of James McGinty/Magginsey to James Sherwood if he is Richards father. Maybe the family story could be true to an extent?!?!?

Just been having a think since finding the above marriage of Jane McGinty to James Shearwood and wondering... could it be that Jane and James were living as husband and wife and having children, hence the children taking the mother's maiden name - but once the parents married in 1866 the children changed their surname officially? It could be that unofficially they used the surname Sherwood, anyway, but on a marriage doc Richard may have used his birth name? Just some ideas...

I think Athena has found the missing piece :) Now I wonder if James and James are the same person lol 1851 Jane McGinty abt 1825 Isle of Wight, Newport Lodger Howden Yorkshire She's married to a guy called John. They have 2 children - John 6 and Joseph 10m