Genealogy Chat

Can anyone give me any ideas please?? I have found a burial in 1817 for a William Ariel age 27. I have a complete (I thought) tree for my Ariel family, but was always intrigued why there wasn't a William in that line. Following naming patterns he would have been born 1789-1791, so the burial I found would fit in. The burial is in Bitton and the births all in Bristol, so fits again. I just can't find any birth/baptism. The other children are all perfectly recorded. I've tried IGI, etc. Thank you.

If his baptism is not in the IGI, you might have to try and find his baptism by looking through the parish registers - did you find the rest of the family in the IGI, or by other means ? Could his name be mistranscribed in the IGI, or could he have been baptised in another place (a long shot for sure). Do you know how to search the IGI by batch numbers, if you have his siblings, or parents marriage ? Then if he was not baptised, then its going to be really hard work !!. We have two children in our family, born 1800-1808, in Scotland, who don't seem to have been baptised at all, and can only trace one because she got married, the other died before 1837 and we have only family knowledge to know of his short existence. Diane

Hello Dianne, I've got two children on the LDS IGI (Dr Williams Library). They are Myles Ariel born 1791 and Agatha born 1801. I have their parents marriage in 1787. There are three other definite children Elizabeth born 1788(from father, mother and grandmother's wills) Jane and Ann born after Agatha. The only references to Elizabeth, Jane and Ann are in wills. I do have Elizabeth(b 1788) marriage and all her children. It's just that William and Elizabeth were the parents and grandparents. Then I expected to see a William in the births and didn't. Then I found the burial of a William in the right time frame. The wills were all later than 1817, so you wouldn't expect him to be mentioned.

Dr Williams Library is a record of non-conformist births - therefore, you may need to search non-conformist registers in the area in which you think William was born. You may get lucky and find the births of Elizabeth, Jane & Ann there too! Richard

Thank you Richard, Do you know if there is a list of non-conformist churches anywhere, or do I just trawl through all the churches. Also do you know how to do that from Australia??? Thanks.

Hello , Elizabeth , I found 3 entries for Ariel children on my BVRI discs....no William , Myles , born 29 July 1791 (St Augustines ) Jane , 6 October 1794 (Christchurch ) Agatha , 3 September 1801 (St James ) Baptism dates are not given.... Parents ..William and Elizabeth Ariel nee Kirkby . Mother's father is David Kirkby... Regards , Joyce...

Thank you Joyce, I know Elizabeth born c 1788 exists as she is in her father's will. She married Thomas Ransford. Also Ann is in father's will. She married someone with surname Miller. Ann's second name was Kirkby. Can you tell me if Christchurch is near Bristol. The Kirkbys came from Hawkshead, Lancashire (now Cumbria). Thanks.

Yes , Elizabeth , this Christchurch is in the Bristol area... Joyce..

Actually, Jane is on the IGI too: Jane Ariel Birth: 06 OCT 1794 Christ Church, , Gloucester, England Christening: 18 FEB 1835 London, London, England Father: William Ariel Mother: Elizabeth Batch No: C029388 A very late christening - maybe in order to get married? Maybe the others (Elizabeth, William & Ann) weren't christened as babies either? Or maybe they were christened in a non-conformist church and then later re-baptised in CofE? You could try to get more info about Myles & Agatha's birth entries from the Dr Williams Library: http://www.english.qmul.ac.uk/drwilliams/

This one's on the same batch number as Jane. Both born Bristol & baptised in London: Mary Eyre Ariel Birth: 16 MAY 1834 Bristol In The Outparish Of St Pauls, , Gloucester, England Christening: 31 DEC 1835 London, London, England Father: Myles Ariel Mother: Elizabeth Batch No: C029388

Richard, A family contact has sent me the details from Dr Williams. Thanks. They are wonderful records. Much better than a UK birth cert actually. I don't think I have two children anywhere in the Ariels baptised in the same church. I do have a baptism for Ann Kirkby Ariel born abt 1804 in 1843 St James. Mary Eyre is the grandaugther of William and Elizabeth(Naylor). Mary was 're-baptised in 1851 in Clifton.All the Ariels marry Elizabeth, even my husband.