Genealogy Chat

hi....1881 census has in liverpool ,ullet road...ellen oakes head st asaph ,flint,wales 74 eleanor 45 /harriet43/annie oakes29 all unmarried,born backford,cheshire....i have traced my tree back to backford,1760`s .... 3 bros ralph(my g.g.g.g.grandfather)...william...and joseph oakes....backford is a small village 6 miles outside chester.....i`ve been on cheshire bmd sites that have bmd in backford to 1500`s....no sign of ellen marrying in cheshire....hoping to find a marriage of unknown oakes to ellen unknown in st asaph about 1827-1836....any tips what welsh sites to view for pre 1837 marriages in st asaph/flintshire??....thanks...and regards....allan oakes,liverpool

Have you aleady tried the IGI? They might be of some help. Hazel

Hi again - I've just had a quick look but there doesn't seem to be anything relevant. Pity. Hazel

hi hazel...thanks...i checked as well...ellen could well have came to liverpool for work(l`pool was very busy port) in early 1820`s.married in liverpool.......moved to backford...then back to liverpool when her husband died....no sign of ellen and family in 1871 census that i can find.....regards

You could try phoning the Records Office in Ruthin. They would be able to tell you where to look/go for the parish records. Janice

Would it be an idea to find the birth certificate for one of the daughters? You would then have a husband for Ellen,.. and his occupation may help to locate a marriage for them. Gwyn

have you tracked the family back through the census. The 1871 census: Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 3742; Folio: 9; Page: 12 Registration district: Wirral Sub-registration district: Eastham ED: 15 Name Age Annie Oakes 19 Ellenor Oakes 37 Ellin Oakes 63 Harriot Oakes 34 In the 1861 census: Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 2637; Folio: 19; Page: 6 Name Age Annie Oakes 9 Elleanor Oakes 27 Ellen Oakes 52 Harriet Oakes 24 Elizabeth Pugh 22 Servant The 1851 census: Name Age Stephen Eversfield 24 Lodger William Haldmand 38 Servant Hannah Hancock 20 Servant Eleanor Oakes 44 Wife born Chester Malpas Eleanor Oakes 17 dau Chester Backford Harriet E Oakes 14 dau Chester Backford Richard Oakes 49 Head Chester Backford

IGI RICHARD OAKES Marriages: Spouse: ELEANOR HARBRIDGE Marriage: 08 APR 1828 Chester St John, , Cheshire, England It's a submitted record so you'll need to check it yourself sometime

thanks very much all....many hands make light work....pete that was the right marriage.....richard oakes father was william oakes from backford......my 4xg grandfathers brother......i was hoping ellen and richard and family would have descended from ralph oakes my 4xg grandfather....but good info from everyone...thanks very much to you all.....allan oakes

hi pete....you seem very adept in your research....have you any tips regarding ralph/william/joseph oakes in backford,cheshire 1760`s...a small village....can`t find their births on backford(st oswalds) or any chesh parish records...some go back to 1500`s...checked every oakes pre 1837 ...they don`t seem to have been born in this county...or indeed any marriages of the 3 brothers...any tips...thanks ..regards...allan oakes