Genealogy Chat

William Arthur Short born 28/08/1911 in Manchester(grandfather). Fathers supposed name was William Short and mothers name was Jane Watson. Cannot locate a match. Ordered and received a Birth Cert for my grandfather but fathers name was listed as Arthur Zeminder and mothers name as Harriet Jane. That was a good waste of some cash. Not sure where i should be looking as i'm a newbie at all this.

There isn't a William A Short registered in 1911 with that mother's maiden name. How do you know that's the maiden name and how do you know that's the right year? Have you checked the indexes several years each side of 1911? Janice

Hi Annette I cannot see a Wiliam A Short with mother's maiden name of Watson in 1911 - don't know if any one else can find it. Regards Gail

hiya do you have his death cert????? does that help? or a marriage cert?? Julie

er... margaret the 1911 census for uk isnt damaged, if you goto or google 1911uk census, it gives detailed report about it HTH julie :)

What is the source of your info about his birth date and birthplace? Do you have any documents to back up the info? Reg

No concrete information. We only have the Largs Bay listing William Arthur short boarding on 06/03/29 and his date of birth as being 28/08/1911. We have his parent/guardian signing him on board as a Mrs J Watson of 19 St Pauls Square, LIverpool and she was a Laundress. When he was married he put down that both his parents were deceased and that their names were William Short and Jane Watson. He also told a family member that he was born in Manchester and later moved to Liverpool. My father obtained some army records from when my pop served (WW2) and they had the same information. It was also mentioned that he had a sister called Poppy and possibly another sister and brother. We have nothing to go on that is concrete.

If she signed as Mrs J Watson, then surely she would have re-married after William was born?

No Surname Forename1 Forename2 Forename3 Mothers maiden name District Page No Event Quarter Year View Image 1 Short William Watson Leigh.8c 532 Birth 4 1912

I'm thinking that possibly the woman that signed my pop on board could have been his grandmother. That is only an assumption. But my grandfather did list his mothers name as Jane Watson(maiden name) on his marriage certificate.

WATSON Mary Alice, SHORT William, marriage 1905 Primitive Methodist Church,Leigh Road, Leigh

Either there's another Short-Watson family in Leigh or Jane isn't the mother's name but the grandmother's.

Hi Marie, i don't want to seem like a complete ditz but i will. Where did you find that info from? Is it viewable? Thanks Annette

The birth entry is on Ancestry in quarter4 (you had 6 weeks to register a birth so it fits)

So on my records i have him born in August of 1911 yet the birth index you're referring to is showing quarter 4 of 1912 ... is that correct?. So he could have lied about his age for some reason? Would you know where i could go to find out the different districts? What would be near by to or under Manchester??? Thanks for all this - you guys are great. My eyes are opening wider and wider - this is definately addictive.

Thanks to all - Have to log off now as its 12.40am here in oz - time to catch some zzz. Any other assistance with sites i could explore or better ways to research from you masters would be greatly appreciated. Thanks again to all.