Genealogy Chat

sorry i have taken so long to get back to this posting - that was a very long babysitting job! Thanks to everyone for all your help and sympathy I have been in touch with L braden and she knows no more than me! Thanks again Alice

Hi Alice - frustrating isn't it, to have so much information but not being able to make the pieces fit! I tried googling 'Old Independant Church, Stansted, Essex' - but little good it did me - and taking away the quotation marks just got me an awful lot about airports. I was wondering when the Old Independant Church came into being. There had to have been a church prior to the OIC - and/or the last member of the family to have been hatched/matched/despatched in the Parish Church before the family changed their allegiance. And all this begs the question of when the Independant Church was licenced to conduct those rites. Since the family continued to use the same family names it might be useful to see if the name of the first boy and second girl brings up a familiar combination - ie the same as the parents of those other children you suspect could be siblings of your Ambrose. And if you have traced any of those children you think are siblings - what about the names of THEIR first boys and second girls? If they were following the pattern you should get the same names recurring. Certainly though, it seems like a parish record trawl is going to be your wall-breaking 'battering-ram'!! Victoria

Charles Rosebrook married Sarah Wood 29th Oct 1798 at the same church in Stanstead. Might he be grandfather to your Christopher, Ambrose and Charles? Lots of Suffolk Rosebrooks. I have Essex people who originated in Suffolk M

So I take it that Ambrose didnt do the right thing and marry AFTER 1837? So you cant get his certifcate to find out who dad was and his occupation? Then its the old parish records trawl Im afraid. Has Suffolk Sue got anything that could help - I dont know how early the marriages are on her records? You will have to look at the records to see if you can find the baptism of your Ambrose and who is father is named as. In the same parish records it should show the relationships of the other chap. With luck you could go back several generations through baptisms, then look for the marriage of the parents and then the baptisms of those parents. Have you tried the Suffolk FHS to see if they will do any look ups on their records for you?

Alice, this doesn't answer your question at all but I noticed this posting on Rootsweb. I presume that this Linda is a distant cousin. Unfortunately no email address is given but the posting is on the message board on Rootsweb under the surname Rosebrook. Posted by: LINDA Braden (ID *****5248) Date: October 30, 2006 at 12:39:25 of 11 John and James emigrated to canada from Essex England,and both had a number of children. James married Mary ann Powell and John Hannah Blackmore. Their parents were Ambrose and Susanna Rosebrook and these names were used for many years (Ambrose was often a midddle name) Both men worked on the railways and indeed, some of their children were also employed there. I would love to hear more about them and any decendents - they were my 2x great granduncles.

I can trace one line of my tree back to about 1808 In Stansted Essex , where my ggggrandad Ambrose Rosbrook was born. Tracing forward the names Charles, Ambrose, william and Sarah keep turning up. I have been at a standstill for several years! Most of the Rosbrooks seem to have been christened at The Old independent Church - and they can be found there on the IGI-except for my Ambrose of course! This includes several Rosebrooks who could be his siblings. Living near to Ambose and wife Susanna was a Sarah and Charles Rosbrook - about the right age to be father ( or uncle ) of my Ambrose. They had a daughter Sarah who married a Joshua Petchy and had children who include a William an Ambrose and a Charles. The Roosebrooks seemed to have been married in the local church - in fact there is a marriage of an Ambrose a year or so before my ggg grandfather was born - and several others before him... but I cannot prove the link! Meanwhile in London a Charles Rosebrook was born in Holborn in 1792 - and on the 1851 census he has my ggrandfather Joseph staying with him - relationship is 'cousin ' -with a 40 yr diffference in their ages! I feel as though there must be a way of breaking down this brick wall with so many pieces of information I MUST be Close! So finally my questions are : 1. Should I accept The Ambrose married just before my Ambrose was born as a Uncle or father of my Ambrose - as then his father would be my direct ancestor. 2, How can I trace the relationship between Charles in London and my Ambrose ( his father's name was William by the way) 3. Can anyone help me solvre anything and break the walldown??? If not thanks for listening ! Got to go babysit my neighbours son for a while - but will be back soon Alice

Can someone out there advise me? see below.