Genealogy Chat

trying to locate a death/marriage of my GG uncle in New York. I have him on the census up to 1910 can then poof him and his wife disappear (both born abt 1854) and not on SSDI. So any ideas when cartificates started?

Hi Lunar, Don't know when they started but it is very difficult to obtain these from USA. Their system is not so easy as ours. The SSDI has records of deceased persons who possessed social security numbers and whose deaths were reported to the SSA. for death benefits by a family member, for example. If someone is missing from the list, it may be that the benefit was never requested or that the form was filled in incorrectly BMD is held in the State Archives for each State This is the info I have for trying to get mine from Maine, I expect other states are the same. There are very few online. WHAT DO I DO IF I CANNOT VISIT THE MAINE STATE ARCHIVES? With limited resources, the Archives cannot conduct genealogical research, though it can provide copies of specific records. For researchers unable to visit, we provide a list of professional genealogists , not connected with the Archives. Search our on-line databases through Maine Archives Interactive. Microfilm copies of vital records (birth, death, and marriage) are held by the Archives from before 1892 (incomplete) and from 1892-1955. They are also available on microfilm at the following institutions: Years: Pre-1892, and 1892-1955 are now available at (North to South): The Library , University of Maine at Presque Isle Fogler Library , University of Maine, Orono Penobscot Marine Museum , Searsport Maine State Library , Augusta (more extended hours than the Archives) Maine Historical Society , Portland Portland Public Library , Portland Springvale Public Library , Springvale Village, Sanford This page was last updated March 3, 2006 Not very helpful is it? It is expensive too!! Regards Kat

Thanks Kat

Have you looked for variations of the name? A couple of my ancestors 'poofed' in Canada and I found them with incorrect spellings. Can we help you look?

Lisa, I've tried wild cards and soundexes but they don't show up. 2 of the 3 son's show on the SSDI but the youngest doesn't. The surnames TOURNAY usually mis-spelt in the USA as TOURNEY - have tried Tourn?y, Tourn* Torn*, Torn?y and soundexes of them which include Thorn and Tierney. Will have to assume that the missing persons are either not yet transcribed or they were or registered. I know Ancestry does not have the full SSDI as rootsweb lists people that Ancestry doesn't. Thanks anyway

Lunar, perhaps you can search the 1920 census by address, but if you can't -- you could write down the neighbours of the Tournay's in 1910 and search for them in 1920, hoping your rellies and the neighbours didn't move. Hope that makes sense. A friend subscribes to Ancestry, if I can help you look? Please let me know if I can help in any way. Lisa

Thanks Lisa, am making the most of 3 days free Ancestry world access so have 23 hours left to find them. So far the only patten is that they are living in Oneida, New York in 1900 and 1910, in 1892 they were in Herkimer, New York. Will try again in the morning with fresh eyes.

Would you like me to take a peek, or would you rather have your own fun? :)

If you want you can have a look while I get some beauty sleep - the missing are:- George Edward Tourney b. 1854 England (Hythe, Kent) Married 1881 New York to Nancy Emily Tourney (nee Dana) b. 1854 New York (Camden, Oneida) (showing as Emily on most censuses) Extra info Children are:- Irving Dana Tournay 1884, Schuyler Lake, Otsego, NY, USA (Have found in 1892, 1900, and 1920) d. 1964 William Edward Tourney 1887, Schuyler Lake, Otsego, NY, USA (Have found in 1892, 1900, 1910, 1920 and 1930) Arthur Stanley Tournay 1891, Schuyler Lake, Otsego, NY, USA (Have found in 1892, 1900, 1910 and 1930) d. 1971 They were mis-spelt in 1900 as Tierney.

I've pm'd you. Enjoy your sleep. :)

:) 1920: Name: George Tanrney Home in 1920: Attica, Oneida, New York Age: 66 years Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854 Birthplace: England Relation to Head of House: Head Spouse's name: Nancy E Father's Birth Place: England Mother's Birth Place: England Marital Status: Married Race: White Sex: Male Home owned: Own Year of Immigration: 1877 Occupation: Mason Able to read: Yes Able to Write: Yes Image: 1123 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age George Tanrney 66 Nancy E Tanrney 65 Arthel R Tanrney 28

??? Name: George Tawney Home in 1930: Utica, Oneida, New York Age: 76 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854 Birthplace: Northern Ireland Relation to Head of House: Head Spouse's name:Emily Race: White Occupation: Mason, Odd Jobs Education: Military Service: Rent/home value: Age at first marriage: 26 Parents' birthplace: Northern Ireland Household Members: Name Age George Tawney 76 Emily Tawney 75 Harry Failey 36 Year of immigration looks like 1875 or 1877 (the writer corrected the entry).

In case there's a relative: Saint Joseph Cemetery Oneida County, New York Tourney, Catherine, b. 1885, d. 1941, wife of William E. Tourney, Sec Y Tourney, William E., b. 1887, d. 1943, Sec Y

Thanks Lisa that looks like them and the cemertry one would be the middle son William Edward and his Wife. Can now complete the set of census records for George and Nancy. Thanks again your a gem.