Genealogy Chat

Wow thank you All very much for the information, you have certainly given me something to work on, I thought I wasn't going to get anywhere. Kind Regards, Sylvia xxxx

I notice on the 1851 census a Peter Renton and his family living next door.

This is 1861... John Herbert abt 1830 Holborn Head Shoreditch St Leonard Middlesex Elizebeth Herbert abt 1836 Middlesex, England Wife Shoreditch St Leonard Middlesex Lousia Herbert abt 1854 Sheffield, Yorkshire, England Daughter Shoreditch St Leonard Middlesex Elizabeth Herbert abt 1856 St Lukes Shoreditch St Leonard Middlesex Emma Herbert abt 1859 St Lukes Shoreditch St Leonard Middlesex Elizabeth Herbert abt 1860 Shoreditch, Middlesex, England Shoreditch St Leonard Middlesex Elizabeth Parnell abt 1806 Boro Lodger Shoreditch St Leonard Middlesex John Parnell abt 1848 Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England Shoreditch St Leonard Middlesex Elizabeth (1860 and 1856) and Emma (1859) have no relationship to head listed so I have no idea who they are, Emma appears as a daughter with them in 1871 though. This is 1871... John Herbert abt 1831 St Luke, Middlesex, England Head Friern Barnet Middlesex Elizabeth Herbert abt 1836 St Luke, Middlesex, England Wife Friern Barnet Middlesex Emma Herbert abt 1859 St Luke, Middlesex, England Daughter Friern Barnet Middlesex Elizabeth Herbert abt 1859 Shoreditch, Middlesex, England Daughter Friern Barnet Middlesex Harriet Herbert abt 1865 Shoreditch, Middlesex, England Daughter Friern Barnet Middlesex Sarah C Herbert abt 1867 Friern Barnet (Barnet Friern), Middlesex, England Daughter Friern Barnet Middlesex Arthur W Herbert abt 1870 Friern Barnet (Barnet Friern), Middlesex, England Son Friern Barnet Middlesex Looks like Elizabeth is theirs too. Here's Louisa... Name: Louisa Mary A Herbert Age: 18 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853 Relation: Servant Gender: Female Where born: Sheffield, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Friern Barnet Town: Colney Hatch County/Island: Middlesex Country: England and in 1881. Name: Louisa Herbert Age: 27 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854 Relation: Servant Gender: Female Where born: Sheffield, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Paddington County/Island: London Country: England Street address: 31 - 61 Westbowrne Grove

Hi Tracy, No I am sorry I don't have there marriage certificate, that's why I have been stuck as to what there parents name were. Sylvia

Hello, No I don't have the 1861 census, I got a lot of information from the 1891 & 1901, I know it is confusing I didn't know there were so many Herberts in London. Sylvia

Do you have the 1861 census? It's very confusing lol Do you have John and Elizabeth's marriage cert? That should show who Johns father is and might make him findable in 1841.

IGI Individual Record FamilySearch™ International Genealogical Index v5.0 ELIZABETH RENTON Birth: 27 MAY 1836 Christening: 15 JUN 1842 Saint John The Baptist, Shoreditch, London, England Parents: Father: WILLIAM RENTON Mother: ELIZABETH

Mary Ann will be Williams second wife. Elizabeth must've died.

Hi, The information I have is that Elizabeth Renton married John Herbert 23rd Oct. 1859, The Maryann must be someone else ?Sylvia

1851 William Renton - Lath Renderer Joseph - same 16 Hulls? Place 1841 12 Baitt? Garden North William same occupation

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1983 Name: Elizabeth Renton Year of Registration: 1845 Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun District: Shoreditch County: London, Middlesex Volume: 2 Page: 275

Thank you very much, is there any address listed for them please & occupations ? Sylvia

1851 Name: John Herbert Age: 21 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1830 Gender: Male Where born: St. Lukes, Middlesex, England Civil Parish: Southwark St Olave County/Island: Surrey Country: England Not sure about 1841. There's too many to choose from.

1851 I think... William Renton abt 1802 St Lukes, Middlesex, England Head St Luke Old Street Middlesex Maryann Renton abt 1817 St Lukes, Middlesex, England Wife St Luke Old Street Middlesex Joseph Renton abt 1834 St Andrew, Middlesex, England Son St Luke Old Street Middlesex Elizabeth Renton abt 1836 St Lukes, Middlesex, England Daughter St Luke Old Street Middlesex Maryann Renton abt 1847 St Lukes, Middlesex, England Daughter St Luke Old Street Middlesex John Renton abt 1850 St Lukes, Middlesex, England Son St Luke Old Street Middlesex

Looks like Elizabeth had died and William had re-married Maryann by 1847: 1851 England Census about Elizabeth Renton Name: Elizabeth Renton Age: 15 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836 Relation: Daughter Father's name: William Mother's name: Maryann Gender: Female Where born: St Lukes, Middlesex, England Civil Parish: St Luke Old Street Ecclesiastical parish: St Barnabas County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Registration district: St Luke Sub-registration district: City Road ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 145 Household Members: Name Age Elizabeth Renton 15 John Renton 1 Joseph Renton 17 Maryann Renton 34 Maryann Renton 4 William Renton 49

1841 William Renton abt 1801 Middlesex, England St Leonard Shoreditch Middlesex Elizabeth Renton abt 1801 Middlesex, England St Leonard Shoreditch Middlesex James Renton abt 1828 Middlesex, England St Leonard Shoreditch Middlesex William Renton abt 1831 Middlesex, England St Leonard Shoreditch Middlesex Joseph Renton abt 1834 Middlesex, England St Leonard Shoreditch Middlesex Elizabeth Renton abt 1836 Middlesex, England St Leonard Shoreditch Middlesex

Thank you Linda & Tracy, Elizabeth Renton I believe was born in Shoreditch round about 1836 John Herbert (Jno Herbert) born at St Lukes in 1830 I am just after as much information as possible ? Sylvia

Yes....but....need some info please. Maureen

Yes...

Hello, Does anyone have any access to these that can help me ? Sylvia