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I've 'lost' my Fry family in 1861 can anyone track them down? (See below....)

This is the family in 1871. Name: Amey Fry Age: 19 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852 Relation: Daughter Father's name: Joseph Mother's name: Hannah Gender: Female Where born: Oxenton, Gloucestershire, England Civil Parish: Oxenton Town: Oxenton County/Island: Gloucestershire Country: England Registration district: Tewkesbury Sub-registration district: Overbury Household Members: Hannah Fry 64 (Uley, Gloucestershire, England) Joseph Fry 65 (Charfield, Gloucestershire, England) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Amey married in 1873 and is recorded with her husband on all later censuses. Joseph died in 1874.

I can't see Hannah & Joseph on 1851 - have you found them? Are you sure they are her parents - ie have you got Amey's birth certificate (jfm 1852 tewkesbury 6a 400)??

I can't find them in 1851 and have about 5 possables for Joseph in 1841. I don't have Amey's birth cert but my granfathers cousin has it and confired the 1871 census for parents names.

Lunar - is there an easy way for you to get the pob from the birth cert? It seems odd the whole lot are so elusive.

Hi Lunar, I am as baffled as everyone else here and it is so frustrating when you know the family should be there. Did Amey marry William Barnes ? As i can see the marriage reference for 1872 O-D is 6a 912a. Am I right in thinking that an 'a' after the number means there has been an amendment to the certificate or the registration ? Joan

Not at the moment, the cousin's offline for a while and I don't have a postal address so my have to borrow some of the christmas money to get the certificate so I have my own copy. I know Amey was born in the Tewkbury area but Oxenton and Bredon seem to be the areas she gives. No doubt she'll end up mistranscribed or on a missing page! lol

Where does Bredon come into the equation??

It seems from the 1901 census that she was living in Breden Worcestershire with husband, William and family. Am I right in that ? Joan

Amey did married William Barnes (they are in Bredon in 1881, 1891 and 1901) Amey's PoB was written in one of the family records as Bredon, but it happens to the place that she lived after marriage.

Hi Lunar, I would be tempted to get the birth cert. I know its not impossible but mum Hannah would have been 45 ish when Amey was born. what do the experts think of the marriage registration. I have 3 certificates that were given the letter 'a' after the page number and all 3 had amendments on. Has this happened to anyone else ? Best wishes Joan

I've never come across a leter after a page number before. Might have to order it again as can't find it (I usually scan them all but don't have a digital copy so am doubting myself)

Sorry Lunar to put you to more cost but it might clarify things. Might be a thought to phone a registration office to explain the 'a', Joan Shall we have a whip round for you ?? Joan

Naa... it'll be fine, will just not buy my brother another christmas pressie (got 1 in Jan - cheap) shoup save be about 15 quid!!!

Ahhh poor brother. Well at least it is HIS family tree as well. Good luck and let us know the result, best wishes Joan

UPDATE Certificates arrived today (but very crumped by postie) Birth 13 February 1852, Oxonton Amey, Girl Father :- Joseph Fry, Labourer (made his mark and lived in Oxonton) Mother :- Harriet Fry formerly Dicks Marriage Oetsber 1, 1872 (Guessing October) William Barnes Full age 27, Bactular, Labourer, Oxenton, father: Jonah Barnes, Labourer Amey Fry, Full age 20, Spinster, Father: Joseph Barnes, Labourer Witnesses:- Alfred Fry, Hannah Fry. Also noted that:-- LDS have a marriage for Joseph Fry to Harriett Dix in 1836, I wonder if it could be them.

Lunar, on the marriage cert was Amey's father Joseph FRY or Joseph Barnes ? Did you get the cert with the letter 'a' ? Was there an amemdment on it ? Curious. Joan

Hi Joan Amey's dad was Joseph Fry on both certificate. OOrdered the marriage with the a after the number but no ammendments on certificate. can only guess that its because of the date is not fully written. the year is missing from the date box and the month is spelt wrong.

Hi again Lunar, You say the birth cert says mother Harriet and the 1871 says mother Hannah. Are these two the same person ? I can't find any of the Fry family on the 1861. Will look for the Barnes family, Joan

Here are the witnesses to her marriage on the 1871 census - probably Amey's brother and sister in law: RG10/2677; Folio: 83; Page: 14 Woolstone Gloucestershire Alfred Fry 26 born Oxonton Hannah Fry 33 Frank H Fry 4 Sorry, thought this might help to locate the family in 1861 but not only are the Fry family not there, Ancestry doesn't seem to have Oxenton parish at all for that year.