Genealogy Chat

Suzanne, that may well be the Bethnal Green Julia, as the year of births about right and I can't find her in London in 1881. If she was illegitimate might explain it I suppose...going to need to get those pesky certificates by the looks of it!

Actually just checked the death indexes and the Julia Anna Miller born Poplar 1875, dies aged 3 1878, so deffo not the Julia Ann Tomlin in the hospital...a dead end that one it seems.

Thing is it is a coincidence this Julia Anna Tomlin in hospital, and there being a Julia Anna Miller born 1875. That would explain why she is not at home. But that still leaves a baby son missing, and Julia Ann Tomlin gives her age as 29, a birth date of 1871/72. So no son with her, wrong name, wrong age...maybe too much wrong?

I know it doesnt help much but as there is no father on the marriage cert you could presume she is illigitimate. The Julia born Whitechapel in 1881 has a father! There is this one in 1881: Household: Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability Thomas HOLLY Head M Male 70 Laverstock, Wiltshire, England Invalid Clara R. HOLLY Daur U Female 23 Salisbury, Wiltshire, England Laundress >>> Julia MILLER Grand Daur Female 7 London, Middlesex, England Scholar Ethel Maud HOLLY Grand Daur Female 1 Salisbury, Wiltshire, England Emma HARRISON Adopted Child Female 13 Salisbury, Wiltshire, England Scholar Emma HAWKINS Sister U Female 76 Laverstock, Wiltshire, England Invalid Dwelling 86 Culver St Census Place Salisbury St Martin, Wiltshire, England Family History Library Film 1341500 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 2072 / 99 Page Number 13

Another long shot, find the Julias in 1891 and see if any of the witnesses are neighbours? Or married through family? Suanne X

You might need to get both birth certs (Whitechapel & Bethnal Green), and then hopefully you'll be able to find both of these families in 1881/1891. You should then be able to trace one of them at least in 1901, which will enable you to eliminate the incorrect one! Cheers, Richard

Her fathers name is not given on the cert. This is also something that leads me to think it may be the whitechapel Julia, as she was Jewish, and Josiah was not, so perhaps she declined to namer her father in some way because of that? Without that info it's proved pretty impossible to track her on the censuses. I'd need to positively identify her on the 1901 census and use her birth place to do so, but frustratingly as shown above she wan't with her husband and family and is proving very elusive...

Sorry - just deleted my earlier post as I realised that you already had the marriage. What was Julia's father's name on the cert? Have you found her on census before her marriage? b.t.w. - there is no groom missing on the 1894 Richmond marriage - that Julia's husband was either Fred Edwards or Thomas Meade. Richard

Hi, yes that is definently the marraige I have the cert. On the cert she gives age as 19 (ie 1875ish). But no clue to her parish and none of her family as witnesses either. I strongly suspect she is the Julia Miller born 1874 Whitechapel, but just wanted to try and confirm this.

Oh and to confuse things further there IS a marraige of a Julia Anna Miller in Richmond Surrey 1894, and a groom is clearly missing on the list of others on the page. Mr Tomlin perhaps...?

Well that is intriguing that...I'd certainly COULD be her. Does leave the puzzle of where the one year old Joe could be... If this is right a certainly throwsa bit of a spanner in my works. I'd narrowed down my Julia Miller to either Julia Jane Miller b.1873 Bethnal Green or Julia Miller Whitechapel b.1874 At first I had thought Julia Jane Miller was the one, as Julia and Joe/Josiah are married in Bethnal Green, in 1894 and I have heard most marraiges were in the wifes parish. That said I know Josiah was born whitechapel himself and the age on the wedding cert matches the Whitechapel Julia better, Looking at this though It's possible this is a third contender! This is why I'm desperately trying to find her on 1901 census so I can find out where she was born.

Hi Joyce, sorry for butting in but wanted to point out that Poplar doesnt cover Holborn as far as I know??? (Although this doesnt mean its not her) POPLAR REGISTRATION DISTRICT Registration County : London (1837-1965); Greater London (1965). Created : 1.7.1837. Abolished : 1.1.1966 (succeeded by Poplar & Bethmal Green district). Sub-districts : Bow; Bow & Bromley; Bromley; Poplar. GRO volumes : II (1837-51); 1c (1852-1946); 5D (1946-65). Township or Civil Parish County From To Notes Bow MDX 1837 1889 transferred to LND in 1889 LND 1889 1907 transferred from MDX in 1889 / after 1907 see Poplar Bromley MDX 1837 1889 transferred to LND in 1889 LND 1889 1907 transferred from MDX in 1889 / after 1907 see Poplar Poplar MDX 1837 1889 transferred to LND in 1889 LND 1889 1965 transferred from MDX in 1889 / after 1965 see Tower Hamlets (GTL) Tower Hamlets (part) GTL 1965 1965 before 1965 see Poplar (LND) / the remainder of Tower Hamlets was in Bethnal Green and Stepney districts Registers now in Tower Hamlets district. Suzanne X

Hello ,Richard , This is a long shot too but I found this...Julia Anna Tomlin , patient , age 29 .married.. born in Holborn.. Couldn't find a Tomlin marriage ....found Julia Anna Miller born 1875 Poplar (which covers Holborn ) Given the Christian names and places of birth what do you think ??? Joyce have tried to find name of hospital but it doesn't appear on the census...

....I have been having trouble with one of my families on 1901 census. My great great grandmother Julia,7 is there with her sister Edith and dad Joe, a Dock Labourer, living in Bethnal Green. However the mother, also Julia is not there, and neither is her brother Joe. He was born March 1900 Josiah William Tomkins, and died a few years back aged 101, the last survivor of his generation. I can't understand why Joe and his mother are missing. I've looked for them elsewhere, checked all the neighbours houses, even checked under her maiden name Miller, in case she had temporarily left him! However nothing... I realise people did get left off the census, which is why maybe it's a long shot, but was hoping maybe other fresh eyes might be able to find them.... Julia is born around 1874 (I think..can't be 100%!). Thanks

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