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can anyone do an electoral roll search, for 142 drummond street st pancras,london, please

As you have an exact address and a year, if you contact the Camden Archives, based at Holborn Library, Theobalds Road, they can probably look it up for you if you ask nicely!

thanks nell.is there any way any one would have access here to any electoral rolls,sorry nell have been given some info on my tree this morning,after over ten years of searching and think th only way i can tie it in, is through electoral rolls,i need something other than a census to see who is living in the house,i cant think of anything else can you,

Old electoral rolls are only available in archives - they aren't online or on CD. They won't give details of who is at an address either - just those eligible to vote, so no women and no men under 21 - and not all men over 21 were eligible in 1881 either. Why isn't the census useful to you?

hope you can handle this at this time of the morning nell, i have john belton born about 1881, no birth cert has been found,we assumed islington,married florence hook 1901, all info of john from marridge cert, father samuel belton,marridge cert,so we have no birth cert, but we do have death cert just gives wife florence on it. for years we have thought samuel belton 1843 islington, who was married to josephine wilgot,was our johns father, as when his wife josephine died,he moved in matilda mccabe his servant,matilda had a son john in 1881 islington,however he was registered john mccabe, im sure we found her husband john mccabe died in year before or year john son was born,this being the case we assumed, which i know you should never do.but desperate here after so many years,same was the father and he took his name in later years, we was looking at tying in addresses to sam.john,and matilda starting in 1881,cant think of any other way of doing it, have you any ideas please me little pot of knowledge nell xxx ps, the info i got this morning was that from family stories the grt grandfather married the servant,and this was from someone who couldnt hvae known what we had been thinking,

Have you looked for a birth with surname McCabe instead of Belton?

yes nell i have john mccabes birth cert, which gives his name as john mccabe father john mccabe,not sam belton as i hoped, but that could eb explained as in matilda was sams servant a widow and ended up pregnant by sam,does this make sence,?? can you see problem of trying to prove it now,?

Kim I think I need more coffee! What is the exact chronology of events? ie when did John McCabe senior die? what date is there on the 1881 John Mccabe junior birth cert? Who is Matilda living with in 1881 census? Its quite plausible that John McCabe fathered the child John before he died. Or that Matilda didn't know who the father was, or didn't want to name a man she wasn't married to. Or she did want to name Sam, but Sam didn't want to be named. Legally, a father who is not married to the mother can only be put on a birth cert IF he goes with her to the register office. BUT without Sam's name on the birth cert, I don't see how you can prove parentage - you can only have suspicions. nell

i have found a john mccabe aged 24 died in kensington,june 1881,my john mccabe was born 20 october 1881,sleaford street,doesnt help much does it lol, he could have fathered the child i have no way of proving or disproving,am at al loss,in 1891 there is a john with matilda but no sam, there is also no sam belton in 1891 that i can tie in, there is no marridge cert for matilda and samuel but they turn up again in 1901 as husband and wife,have you got any other ideas or thoughts nell, i will supply the coffee if need be lol,matilda is living with sam in 1881 as servant ????sams wife died in 1880

I'm not sure why you ask for an Electoral Roll search...........you can search 1881 census by address. The Electoral Roll lists only those entitled to vote...........a very limited franchise in 1881!! Reg

Looking at 1881 census for the address, the only person living there who MIGHT have the vote is Samuel Belton age 40............nobody else qualifies. Even Sam may not be eligible.........it depends on his status. Reg

Nell............. To answer one of your questions, Matilda Mccabe is a 21 yr old Domestic Servant in the household of Samuel Belton (as above) in 1881. Reg

was asking for electoral rolls reg, starting for 1881 as i can prove them living together in 1881, cant prove in 1891,can in 1901, by census,am trying to conect sam all the way through as i cannot think of any other way, i think he would have qualified as in earlier census his given trade was bellhanger and locksmith,

The point is, Kim, that no women appear on Electoral Rolls until the 20th century.............they didn't have the vote! Reg

exactly reg thats why im looking to tie sam into addresses that i have for matilda and john

If you want to see if Sam could be the father, surely you need to see where he and Matilda were 9 months before John McCabe junior was born?

i have cert saying john was born sleaford street oct 1881,if im on the right line,this is where it goes wrong as in 1881 census taken in april 81 matilda was living with sam in 142 drummond street, cannot find a john and matilda mccabe in 81 in right area, hmm thinking aloud now, would 1882 or 1880 electoral help me out more?